I have read about six articles covering this topic and not a single one of them has mentioned that Bernthal is Jewish.
Like NO SHIT he’s against the alt-right, he’s one of their primary targets. I am so tired of Jewish people being whitewashed in the story of their own persecution.
It’s because the Jews that were persecuted in Europe WERE/ARE White. When folks speak of Jews they’re speaking of White folk. The world don’t care about anyone else. They’ve shown time and again.
How do you whitewash something that is already White.
Also, no—Jews were persecuted on Europe specifically for being non-white. That’s the very essence of Nazism and their concept racial purity. Have you never heard of the Nuremberg Race Laws under which Jews were persecuted in Nazi Germany? The entire point to their rhetoric was that Jews were an inferior race originating from the Middle East who were a blight on white Europe. That was literally the entire underpinning of the Holocaust. They even murdered Jews who had converted to Christianity because they still defined them as racially Jewish. How do people not know this?
Read the link I provided— especially the quotes by Black civil rights strategist Eric K. Ward, who explains why understanding anti-Semitism as a racial hatred is crucial to combatting white supremacy.
Also, maybe don’t try to tell a mixed-race Jewish person that talking about Jews means talking about white folks like I don’t even exist?
P.S. Even if that wasn’t the case, “whitewash” has more than one meaning.
The idea that the Jews secretly control the world is laughable for so many reasons, but not least because the Talmud is what happened the last time Jews had a crack at making descisions that important and the Talmud is 6200 pages of inconclusive debate, contains digressions on topics like ‘how should girls go about removing hair during Passover?’ and ‘what does ‘dead’ really mean anyway?’, and is still being argued over 1500 years later.
“There is no Jewish conspiracy to control the banks. You know why? Because we can’t agree on a place to go for dinner! We couldn’t even get the meeting started!” -Jon Stewart
Antisemites: Jews have a secret organization that controls the entire world
Jews: and by entire world, does this include the world to come, or merely this present world? Well, according to Rabbi Akiva, if you take the Aramaic word for “entire” and apply the Gematria and then add eighteen…
Study the Third Reich. Understand how it spread its racial views and implemented its racial policies. Study the Reichstag fire. Look at my book lists. Arm yourself with knowledge.
I think Martin Luther should have to be known as the “Martin Luther, author of the treatise ‘The Jews and Their Lies.’”
Example: “It’s been 500 years since Martin Luther, author of the treatise ‘The Jews and Their Lies,’ started the Protestant reformation.”
Tired of pretending he wasn’t a raging anti-semite who advocated for the oppression and murder of my people.
ETA: Before anybody makes a colossal mistake, please do note that Martin Luther and Martin Luther King are not even remotely the same people.
He is currently being celebrated all over Germany like a hero. Here and there his admirers mention his antisemitism but still put him on a pedestal like he’s a saviour or something. It’s terrifying. And apart from playing down his antisemitism nobody even mentions his horrible misogyny.
Look, I’ll be the first to admit I’m not an expert on Martin Luther and if you guys say he was antisemitic and stuff, well you’re probably right (the misogyny thing – like okay yeah it’s awful, but also he lived in the 1500′s, bloody every one was misogynistic he was hardly unique in that) But keep in mind what he did do yeah? You can’t paint him only in black. He took on the Catholic Church and won. That’s huge, especially for his time, when they had a habit of killing people who disagreed with them. The Church was scamming people out of their money, getting them to buy ‘Indulgences’ and telling them this would save them and get them to Heaven. And ‘saviour’ is probably taking it a bit far, but you’ve also gotta understand how big the Church was back then, and how important it was in people’s lives. He translated the Bible so people could actually understand it, and then it got distributed (thanks to the timely invention of the printing press) so people could actually have access to it. So now people could read and understand for themselves, and not just blindly believe what the Church was telling them. Imagine if someone came up with a way we could all tell the difference between truth in a media story and bullshit – how big an effect would that have? That’s the kind of impact we’re talking about. So yeah, we should absolutely be aware of people’s shortcomings and not paint them just as heroes if they were also assholes. But, no one is perfect. And being an asshole doesn’t stop you from doing good things in the world – things that we should equally keep in mind.
“In the treatise, Luther writes that the Jews are a ‘base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth.’ Luther wrote that they are ‘full of the devil’s feces … which they wallow in like swine,’ and the synagogue is an ‘incorrigible whore and an evil slut …’ He argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness, afforded no legal protection, and these ‘poisonous envenomed worms’ should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time. He also seems to advocate their murder, writing ’[w]e are at fault in not slaying them.
The prevailing scholarly view since the Second World War is that the treatise exercised a major and persistent influence on Germany’s attitude toward its Jewish citizens in the centuries between the Reformation and the Holocaust. Four hundred years after it was written, the National Socialists displayed On the Jews and Their Lies during Nuremberg rallies, and the city of Nuremberg presented a first edition to Julius Streicher, editor of the Nazi newspaper Der Stürmer, the newspaper describing it as the most radically antisemitic tract ever published.” (x)
But right, sure, “no one is perfect.”
“I mean he wanted to kill all Jews and erase any trace of their existence from society, but nobody’s perfect.” – @wyntersoldat
Maybe you should have just stopped at “Look, I’ll be the first to admit I’m not an expert on Martin Luther”? Maybe instead, you should have read actual criticism of Martin Luther’s antisemitism by actual Lutherans instead of arguing with Jews about institutionalized antisemitism that still affects us.
I think this point about Lutherans as a body being introspective about ML’s anti-Semitism is really important. Like, it’s absolutely possible to appreciate or participate in something, and still recognise how its founder or creator was a bad and/or flawed person, which is really all I’m asking for, here.
The point is simply to acknowledge these things and keep them out in the open, not to erase the person from history. I don’t know why that’s hard for people to grasp.
I‘m gonna add a comment from another post: Using the term “Kristallnacht” in Germany today is considered a sign the speaker is a neonazi glorifying the pogroms. The Nazis used euphemisms to make their ideologies and actions seem less sinister. They created this term when referring to the night of Nov. 9. The term used today is Pogromnacht (pogrom night), the other term is always set in quotation marks in educational contexts and not otherwise used.
The director has made inflammatory statements about Jews and the Holocaust before (effectively accusing us of ‘playing the Holocaust card’ for sympathy) and also fabricates a sexual assault in the play that maligns a real-life Holocaust victim because, and I quote, “The diary itself contains no drama.”
Imagine being so depraved that you think it’s justified to paint a man who was murdered in the Holocaust as a sexual predator just because you’ve decided that Jewish people trying survive the genocide your ancestors perpetrated against them isn’t “dramatic” enough for you.
Wait, so…it’s not set in WWII, there’s no mention of Nazis, nor that she’s Jewish, nor that she was murdered for it?
I wish I could find one thing I read a while back, with someone talking about the actual history around the Civil War in the North Georgia mountains compared to the number of assholes currently flying the stars and bars under the carefully pushed impression that it really is their “heritage”.
Depressingly similar pattern in my part of Virginia, yeah. The bit that only didn’t get split off to make WV because it already had enough rail infrastructure that Virginia wanted to hold onto.
@illuminatiswag – Yeah, I’m in the UK now, and I thought I was going to have a stroke the first time I saw something like this:
Outside the soccer stadium, European extremist political groups have been known to fly the Confederate flag, too. European skinheads and neo-Nazis have sometimes adopted the Confederate flag, especially in Germany, where the swastika and other symbols of Nazi Germany are officially banned by law. Many Europeans see the flag as a de facto sign of far-right political leanings: A Confederate flag that was spotted in a photograph of a French police station last year caused a minor scandal.
Bizarrely, American Civil War reenactions have become popular in Germany, with significant numbers of Germans preferring to fight on the Confederate side. “I think some of the Confederate reenactors in Germany are acting out Nazi fantasies of racial superiority,” Wolfgang Hochbruck, a professor of American Studies at the University of Freiburg, once told American journalist Tony Horwitz. “They are obsessed with your war because they cannot celebrate their own vanquished racists.”
It’s disconcerting enough elsewhere in the US. Where it’s a lot harder to claim ignorance of some of these connotations, even with some of the rest of the weird resurgence that apparently started in the ‘40s. It’s a mess.
I am SO SICK of this appropriative crap. If you want to be Jewish – convert. But as a gentile, you are NOT entitled to our cultural practices, much less to distort them.
this is disgusting
this is like if we took your most important holidays out of context and celebrated them with no idea of what they meant
get fucked if you do this
This may be one of the most offensive disgusting things I’ve read that wasn’t about literal Nazism.
They are taking our most holy most sanctified days and appropriating, bastardizing, and corrupting them.
Reading this article made me feel physically ill.
If you want to practice holidays the way Jesus did, then you’d have to be Jewish (in which case you shouldn’t really care how Jesus celebrated). But don’t fool yourself into thinking that you can fulfill the commandments as they’re written in the Torah because you literally can’t.
If you are not Jewish you are not obligated, nor allowed, to fulfill mitzvot because you have already broken the covenant.
But honestly? Thats besides the point. This horrific display of appropriation goes too far. They said in this article that, and I’m paraphrasing, ‘sometimes, someone will bring a shofar for fun’. The shofar is a sanctified instrument blown for very specific reasons in very specific ways at very specific times. Just doing it because you can is inappropriate.
They pick and choose which parts of the holidays they want to practice. They want to practice like Jesus, but their sukkot are actual buildings, resorts or hotels, ignoring the important party which is to be put woth nature. They say they want to fulfill the commandments as they are written, but not really.
They think thay they can get away with stealing our culture and our religion. Well they can’t.
TL;DR: if you’re not Jewish you are always more than welcome to come and respectfully observe our practices, but you don’t get to choose a handful and say that they’re yours now.
@imstronglikeanamazon wrote: “If you are not Jewish you are not obligated, nor allowed, to fulfill mitzvot because you have already broken the covenant.”
THIS IS FALSE. If you are not Jewish, you are not obligated (nor allowed in most cases) to fulfill most mitzvot because the covenant never applied to you to begin with. Non-Jews are not considered to have broken any covenant by default, and it is tremendously unjust to say so.
That said: it should go without saying that it is also tremendously inappropriate for Christians to celebrate Jewish holidays, and it would be inappropriate even without the long history of Christian persecution of Jews for celebrating these selfsame holidays.
They want to practice like Jesus
Here’s like, a wild and radical thought for them then, maybe, like idk, feed the poor, care for the homeless, protest injustice and stand with the oppressed, love thy neighbor and stop being such a fucking shitheel blights upon humanity and actually practice what Jesus was supposed to have said and done instead of whatever the fuck else they are doing, cause it sure as shit ain’t the teachings of Christ.
no, i mean this social experiment started by a history teacher in calofornia in 1967
im Intrigued
it’s creepy not so much like paranormal but as in it’s a scary look at human nature. hang on a sec ill explain it
alright so. in 1967, a new history teacher at Cubberly High School in Northern California named Ron Jones was teaching his class about the Holocaust and Hitler’s rise to power. At some point during the lesson, many of his students began to ask why the rest of Germany had stood by and done nothing, and how afterwards they could have said they didn’t know. Many said that they would never allow something like that to happen, but most simply couldn’t understand how the population had allowed it back then. This made Ron curious: what was the answer? Why had so many Germans joined and tolerated the Nazis as their neighbors were dragged away? He realized there was no way of knowing, not without being there, and certainly no way of teaching it – unless, maybe, they could experience something similar.
The next day, Ron came in and began to command his class differently than usual. He had stricter rules, making students stand when asking or answering questions and having them fix their posture. He said it was a lesson on discipline and the phrase “strength through discipline” was written on the board.
The students, shockingly responded positively to the stricter rules; it was as if they had just been waiting for this and wanted more. They worked as a team and answered questions correctly, even sitting quietly until Ron dismissed them at the end of class.
In the next two days, the phrases “strength through community” and “action” appeared on the board. Ron announced to the class that their new rules and ideas were now the cornerstones of the group called the Wave. Their mottos were the three phrases on the board, and he introduced them to a salute (made by curling one’s right hand into the shape of a wave and tapping one’s left shoulder with it). The kids practiced both the motto and the salute that day.
Everything was going well in this experiment: Ron was increasingly seen as an incredibly important leader, the kids were being more well behaved, they were ahead in their studies, all good things, so Ron decided to continue the Wave. In class, he gave the students Wave membership cards, some of which had red x’s on the back. The x’s indicated that those people were to monitor the other members of the Wave and report directly to Ron if someone broke a rule.
Additionally that day, Ron gave the instruction to recruit members to the Wave; all were invited and all were equal in the Wave.
And recruit they did.
Later that week, there were over 200 members of the Wave. The pep rally became an official Wave rally where dozens of new members were sworn in. As the group grew, most everyone joined. However, if someone did not join, they were likely to find themselves very alone and possibly being threatened or hurt by Wave members.
By the 5th day, Ron knew things had spiraled out of control. He had grown into a mythical leader, and the students carried out his orders without hesitation, even if these orders never existed in the first place and were grown from within the Wave. He decided to tell the students that there would be a televised announcement of the Wave’s candidate announcement for the presidential election, and that all members should attend the rally later that day.
When they arrived, the hundreds of students were greeted with a blank screen and Ron. He told them the true nature of the Wave; how it had been born as an experiment that had grown exponentially until he had to end it. The students were shocked, and some even cried. They had all believed in the Wave wholeheartedly after just 5 short days.
The Wave is terrifying because it is real. Not so long ago, a history teacher fresh out from college was able to turn a school into a military state in just 5 days. We as humans are so easily led into fascist dictatorships and we so rarely question what goes on around us. The Wave is a testament to that, and a scary one.
There’s a really great German film of the same name (“Die Welle” – The Wave) based on this experiment – rather than stopping after 5 days however, the teacher lets it continue and things get much, MUCH worse. It’s a terrifying movie, but fascinating too.
Die Welle is an incredibly well done film, fans of Sense8 will recognise Marco being played by the guy who plays Woolfgang.
However it is a deeply disturbing film, just be warned.
Honestly this shit won’t “teach” you anything about the holocaust in PARTICULAR. Like here’s the two immediate reasons why you should know this premise is entirely faulty from the start, and why this film is a waste of time @choking-onholywater:
1.) The fact that Germany had fostered literal centuries of violent (and deadly) antisemitism (and anti-roma sentiment) prior to the Holocaust is not ONCE mentioned in this teacher’s “experiment” – or at least you never mentioned it in your summary.
2.) The teacher assumes that average Germans (aka only Gentile, non-Jewish or non-Roma Germans) all “didn’t know.” This is patently, historically false. Like it’s so false it’s insulting. Germans knew. They were well aware! And they didn’t feel outraged because for non-roma gentile Germans they for the most part A.) didn’t care (as long as it wasn’t them) or B.) actively encouraged or celebrated it it.
Guess what guys? If your explanation of “how the holocaust happened” doesn’t immediately and primarily begin with “centuries of entrenched/systemic antisemitism and anti-roma violence,” then your explanation doesn’t actually explain the Holocaust, all it does it explain behaviors of large groups subjected to peer pressure.
Let me just repeat: If you’re not studying or learning about antisemitism and anti-roma sentiment as a primary factor for the Holocaust, then you’re not really learning about how the Holocaust happened.
And let me tell you, it seems scary to think “oh people didn’t know, people can be fooled or ignorant and led to terribleness like a fascist regime,” but the true fucking horror is knowing that people knew very well what was going on.
Germany in the third Reich wasn’t “surprised” by the existence of death camps and the Final Solution.
The warning signs for the Holocaust weren’t just “increased rules and regulations” or “slogans and salutes.” The Germans weren’t just eager teenagers or school children, they weren’t unaware or ignorant. They hated Jewish people violently. That’s it! That’s the answer. They didn’t have a nationwide boycott of Jewish businesses in 1933 just because they wanted to “follow the rules” guys. They had it because they hated Jews.
Like you need to understand that this is the most asinine and useless way to teach the holocaust, because the quote unquote warning signs were clear as fucking day, and yes, that means German gentiles ignored or supported it.
A sampling of actual warning signs (Just Jewish specific, I could go on forever):
April 25th, 1933: Law Against Overcrowding of Public Schools and Universities targets Jewish students by restricting the number of Jewish students in public schools.
October 4th – Non-Aryan people are banned from Journalism positions.
Pause to note: this is all before Hitler technically becomes President of Germany in 1934, and then subsequently becomes dictator.
1935:
September 15th –Nuremberg Race laws, which “consisted of two pieces of legislation: the Reich Citizenship Law and the Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honor.”
[Note: August 1st opens the Berlin Olympics in Nazi Germany.]
1937:
July 15 – Buchenwald Camp opens.
Nov. 8th – Antisemitic art exhibition put on by Government at the library of the German Museum in Munich.
1938:
Germany “annexes” Austria in March.
By August, “A new German law requires Jews bearing first names of “non-Jewish” origin to adopt an additional name: “Israel” for men and “Sara” for women.”
On October 5th, all German-Jewish passports are declared invalid: “The Reich Ministry of the Interior invalidates all German passports held by Jews. Jews must surrender their old passports, which will become valid only after the letter “J” has been stamped on them.”
November 9th, German occupied Austria – Kristallnacht. “In a nationwide pogrom called Kristallnacht, members of the Nazi Party and other Nazi formations burn synagogues, loot Jewish homes and businesses, and kill at least 91 Jews.”
November 12th: A new German decree closes all Jewish-owned businesses.
Like hey guys? By this point, Germany hadn’t yet invaded Poland. Germany hadn’t begun to systematically establish Jewish ghettos. (This happens in 1939.) Mobile-killing units targeted Jewish communities in 1941. That fall, they introduced gas vans. 1941 was when Operation Reinhard was implemented, and if you don’t know what that is, take a look.
This movie doesn’t sound terribly helpful when it doesn’t address that like, for six whole years, German gentiles didn’t mind systematically targeting Jewish Germans in the name of the law.
It’s not helpful if the warning signs aren’t like “utterly dehumanizing a group of people and also murdering 91 of them.”
If you want an actual take on the rising “waves” of antisemitism that led to the Holocaust, operation reinhard, the final solution, etc, then please read something about the Holocaust specifically. My recommendation as a good starting point is Victor Klemperer’s journal, published in English asI will Bear Witness: A diary of the Nazi Years 1933-1941. (The second half covers 1942-1945).Victor occupied a unique position in Nazi germany – he was an ethnically Jewish man, but had converted to Christianity and married an “ayran” woman, which kept him “safe” for much longer than other German Jews, until he too becomes targeted. He was also a Professor, at the time. His journals chronicle the loss of his rights, his property, the reactions of gentile germans around him, the fear and tension that grows.
The fact that people were willing to look the other way.
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