Their position isn’t a reasonable one to hold.
Tear Gassing children is a bad thing. Full Stop. Their counter-argument is only that it’s necessary to tear-gas them.
Which is all sorts of pathetic.
This is why I have so much trouble with “moral rules alone are enough.”
Once you’ve stopped reacting to children in pain… I don’t necessarily doubt your general intelligence, but I no longer even KNOW HOW reasoning with you would even work.
Tag: compassion
Everyone’s like “when you stop being dirt poor you’ll start liking capitalism” and now that I’m actually able to survive and have some financial security I’m like, “nope still have long term memory and still want to Eat The Rich”
AKA: you don’t have to be the one suffering to want to end suffering
Children are literally some of the most vulnerable people on this planet. They depend on and cannot survive without the support and care of adults for the extent of their childhood. They can die (and often do) because they’re forced to grow up in uncaring and cruel environments where the adults entrusted with their care don’t give a fuck about them. They live in a society that, by and large, still thinks of them as property and therefore not entitled to anything resembling rights, let alone basic human decency. There is nothing, absolutely nothing ‘revolutionary’ about grown ass adults saying they hate children and don’t want to give a fuck about them.
When people say they hate kids, what they’re saying is that they’re incapable of treating other people with any kindness or respect. Not only is that fucking scary to me as an adult, it also makes any kind of ‘progressive activism’ that these people do enormously suspect and completely fucking hollow.
You can hate kids without treating them like shit tho. I do not like kids. But I do believe they should be treated well. And I am not cruel to them so like… maybe just an addition there because like… I don’t like kids because loud, unexpected noises trigger my trauma response and kids are frequently loud in an unexpected manner.
My solution is not having children and leaving an area if I can’t deal with a kid’s presence.
I think the issue you are trying to address is people actively treat kids like shit and not people who legitimately just dislike children and prefer to avoid them but that isn’t how this is worded so I think clarification is probably necessary.
I know how I worded this. I know what I said. And I said that people, especially adults, saying they “hate kids,” even when they don’t go out of their way to “actively treat them like shit” is wrong, and they shouldn’t say this because this is something that is harmful to children.
Wow. Okay. Whatever. I’m allowed to talk about how kids make me feel. That doesn’t hurt anyone and you’re reaching quite a bit there.
“That doesn’t hurt anyone” lol it literally does that’s why I made the post, but ok.
Is it people saying ‘being around kids upsets me so I don’t want to be around them’ that you’re against? Or is it just the literal word ‘hate’ in this context?
Today I had a family with four children, ranging from ages 3ish to maybe 12ish, come in. They smeared their faces all over the display glass, knocked a chair onto another customer, spilled two drinks, and yelled the entire time they were in there despite their mothers pleas to use their “indoor voice”.
I hate children. I hate being around them, especially when due to my job, I’m not able to escape or avoid them. I dislike poorly trained ones, but thats usually the adults fault. Doesn’t mean I wish harm or pain or anything against them, just that I hate them and being in situations with them.
Hate =/= wanting to hurt someone.
This reads like someone who has never been forced to spend time with children with 0 options to leave if they found themselves unable to cope, tbh. They have the power to leave in that situation, I don’t. If anyone is allowed to hate children, its retail workers.
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@part-time-ravager I’ve tutored and worked with kids for years, but sure, I’ve never spent time with them.
Not being happy with the types of behaviours children often exhibit isn’t an excuse to go around saying you “hate children” as a result. Like, jfc, do you even hear yourself?
“Poorly trained” Children aren’t pets, you absolute tree branch. Nor are they olives, but that’s neither here nor there.
Treating children with compassion as they figure out how to navigate the world (yes, often in messy and loud ways that can be a struggle to endure) costs $0. Learning to overcome your feelings of aversion for a group of human beings who don’t know better and literally exist at the mercy of society at large is like, basic decency. The least children should be able to expect is that the adults around them have the magnanimity to be kind and caring, even when they fuck up, because they’re literally still learning how to live in this world, but I guess that’s beyond some of y’alls capacity then?
Like, kids have an excuse for messing up and not understanding societal norms. What’s your excuse for being an adult who presumably knows better, but is still an asshole anyway?
It’s one thing to not want children. That is completely your own choice and understandable. But saying you hate kids and do not wish to be around them is no different than saying you hate [i sweet any racial, sexual, gender, or other marginalized group] and don’t wish you be around them. It’s not okay! And what’s worse, is that every single one of us was a child. If you were one of the loud and clumsy and inconsiderate ones you hate so much, you would think you’d have some compassion and understanding that they are still learning how to navigate the world and understand social norms. If you were not loud, clumsy, and inconsiderate as a child, you understand that making that blanket assumption about cauldron isn’t fair.
Children do not enter this world knowing how to act. They have to be taught. Most of that teaching comes from their parents and teachers, but it really needs to come from everywhere. Children are like sponges; they absorb everything. They can pick up on the fact that you don’t like them. They pick up on adults who hold hate in their heart. They need to be taught patience, and sharing, and to practice emotional self regulation. These skills aren’t learned and developed on their own. The more adults in their lives who actively help them, the better behaved they will be and the more productive society members they will become. If you dismiss children as barbaric and loud and obnoxious and annoying, you are part of allowing them to be that way and grow into loud, obnoxious, and annoying adults who don’t care about other people besides themselves. Kids need role models who demonstrate kindness, not examples of people who hate and discriminate and make assumptions about an entire group of people and invalidate their thoughts or opinions. The thoughts, opinions, and developmental stages of children matter greatly bc they inform the adults these kids become. The adults they see in their lives and how those adults speak and act, shows kids what is appropriate. So maybe lead by example.
the idea that no one should donate money to individuals (whether online or offline) ever because there are some people who lie in order to receive donations has always struck me as rather cruel.
like, by all means check out a person before you give them money online — talk to them if this is an offline situation, gauge their sincerity — and decide for yourself whether or not they’re genuine. that’s good, you should do that. and if you would rather donate money or good to organizations rather than to individuals then that’s fine, too, that’s your right.
but coming from a person who has been on both sides of this (both poor as fuck and having to beg for help and still poor as fuck but having a bit of extra cash that I could afford to give to someone else without it severely impacting me for the week), i would always rather help a thousand people who didn’t actually need it than to turn away a single person who did – who i could have helped but didn’t because there are some people out there somewhere who try to take advantage of other people’s good will. i literally never want to get to a place in my life where i refuse to help anyone because of the possibility that someone i help might not need it at all or need it as much as they say they do.
because there is just….something distinctly uncomfortable about seeing people who are quick to criticize this “donation culture” and “e-begging” that happens online but who never say a word of criticism about what has driven people to have to do this in the first place. the fact that living expenses have only risen and risen while our minimum wage has stagnated and how so many of us are living on a week to week (or even day to day) basis where the slightest emergency, a broken down car or an unexpected illness, can literally ruin our lives and finances in one single swoop. all of this happening while rich people continue to get richer, continue to profit off of the exploitation and oppression of the poor, continue to build upon an impossible wealth that they will never be able to spend in a single lifetime – that their children and their children’s children will never be able to spend – because it is so very much.
criticism of “e-begging” is framed as being about greed—people being so greedy for money that they’ll beg random strangers for it—rather than the desperation that poor people live with every day, but it’s the desperation (and the visibility of it) that really pisses people off and drives their criticism. people like the poor to be invisible until we “make it” and we can be the rags to riches story they can tout out to other poor people to say “see? if only YOU worked hard, this could be you”, a way to ignore how difficult it really is to escape poverty because if they acknowledged that then they’d have to actually acknowledge that poor people aren’t poor because it’s their own fault.
with the way people asking for donations online has become common and normal, though, it’s much harder to ignore the poor. the same classism that makes people sneer at someone standing on the street with a cup held out for donations and ignore them because “they’ll probably spend it on liquor and crack” rears its head online as well because the fact is that people absolutely hate poor people who have the audacity to be poor around them, to ever draw attention to the fact that they are poor, and, even worse, to ask for help. the more desperate you are—the more dire your situation is, the more you’re willing to openly talk about it—the more they hate it and the more they criticize.
because poor people are supposed to be invisible, their poverty unnoticeable and easy to ignore, their existence and their struggles only brought to light when people more well-off than they are can use them to feel better about themselves, only helped when those same people can use their charity to brag about their own generosity. poor people are never supposed to ask for help except in the most contrite, down-trodden way possible but not so down-trodden that they make the people they’re asking for help uncomfortable with the realities of their poverty, and when they are helped they’re supposed to fall over themselves in gratitude and then go away – forgotten – to never bother their rich betters again. poor people asking for donations online (and offline) blows those expectations out of the water—suddenly they are visible, their poverty is visible, their struggles are visible, and considering that poverty is not a situation that can be cured through one donation post (unless you’re extremely lucky but most people aren’t), the poor people asking for donations don’t go away. they give updates on their situation, they ask for more donations, what was first a need for rent becomes a need to pay a light bill which becomes a need for money to pay for food — a situation that is normal, daily, routine for poor people but which rubs others the wrong way because they can’t grasp that poverty is an ongoing struggle not simply a single emergency that can be easily cured and then everything is right as rain.
and the entire “donation culture” online just absolutely galls people, particularly rich people, because it spits in the face of everything they want poor people to be (which is basically: as easy for them to ignore as possible) and so they criticize it, criticize people who ask for donations, and urge people not to donate at all because someone somewhere is probably lying about why they need the money (the same justification they use for ignoring the homeless on the street – “some of them are homeless because they’re drunks, it’s their own fault, some of them don’t deserve my help so none of them get my help”).
meanwhile, however, they never criticize the systems that are in place that continue to contribute to mass poverty, they never criticize the systems of capitalism which are run on the blood of workers that are used and used until they are no longer useful, they never criticize rich people who accumulate billions upon billions of dollars and are willing to let people die so they can get just a single penny more—so much money that it could solve all the poverty in the world, multiple times over, and yet it sits rotting away in bank accounts never to be touched because greed is more worthwhile quality to fund rather than compassion and basic humanity.
they never criticize any of that, because it is so much easier to look down on people who have the nerve to ask strangers for help with their basic living expenses than it is to look down on the classism and capitalism that put them in that situation in the first place. because, to them, the former is more worthy of scorn and shame than the latter.
You want some real legitimate advice about mental health? Stop being mean to yourself.
Like, when you wanna say mean shit about yourself either internally or externally, work to learn how to step back a moment and remind yourself that what you are doing is a form of self-harm and not a fair or legitimate judgement on you as a person, and furthermore is not productive to your survival or well-being.
Even if you fuck something up, you can resolve to do better in the future, you can tell yourself that you’re going to make this a learning experience, and even if you’ve made the same mistake 50 times already, telling yourself you’ll get it right someday if you just keep trying will always do you better than calling yourself an idiot and beating yourself up for not being able to get it right.
Take it from me, a lot of mental health shit is a product of your environment and personal history, and therefore you really don’t have the control over it that you need to get by without others’ help, but one thing you can have some control over is whether you’re going to be a friend to yourself or just another enemy, and if you want to survive, you’ve gotta strive to be in your own corner as best you can.
Understand that if you have the audacity to tag me in posts about the Libyan slave trade that show pictures of the gore, severe abuse, organ harvesting, and mutilated bodies I will report your blog, block you, and block your IP adress.
Won’t even think twice. How dare you think that’s okay to just tag someone in and say “spread this”.
Why in God’s name would I willingly spread pictures of mutilated black bodies. If you are a decent human being you shouldn’t need graphic photos of abused people to feel any type of empathy.
There is a difference between showing pictures that give an idea of what’s going on and showing pictures that would induce vomiting from its graphic nature. So keep the posts PG13 at most.
I know the world is desensitized to black pain, but I sure as hell am not.
Has anyone else noticed how, when you have a chronic condition of some kind, that there’s always the basic assumption from people around you that you’re not already doing everything you can?
It’s all about the illusion of control. People who are healthy like to believe they can always keep being healthy if they do the right things. They don’t want to think about how good people get struck with terrible circumstances for no reason.
So they keep assuming that if they got sick, they could do something to make it better.
And if you’re still sick, that must mean you’ve done something wrong or not done enough.Nail. Head. The same attitude can be seen in how a lot of people talk about poverty.
And sexual assault. All they have to do is not go there not drink that not wear that not date them and they’ll be fine, right?
The Just World theory – that as long as I do everything right, I’m safe, and everybody who isn’t safe is at fault for not doing everything right – is perhaps the most harmful and widespread mindset today
if you ever see a conservative and wonder just how in the world they have so little compassion? they are genuinely convinced that most – not all, but most – bad things that happen are the fault of the person affected, because then they don’t have to feel bad
somebody explaining this to me as a young adult was, quite literally, the start of me seeing the world in a new way and moving considerably to the left politically. by letting go of the just world mindset my conception of reality shifted considerably
imo a pretty significant problem with sj/leftist/radical/whatever-you-want-to-call-it politics in a lot of popular circles is that they’re based on opinions rather than being based on values. having “good politics” is understood as collecting and displaying a whole bunch of correct opinions using the correct language (which is, of course, determined by the leading order of the day and subject to change), rather than having a good set of values and strategies for gaining information from which you can arrive at your own conclusions.
someone having “good politics” to me doesn’t mean that they have a list of positions that I agree with, but rather that they base their politics off of compassion, respect, a desire for a nuanced understanding of the world around them + how they relate to other people, etc. etc. And it’s very likely that we’ll agree on a lot of things and disagree on a few but ultimately I can understand where they’re coming from and we can have a discussion about our disagreements that’s productive and hopefully leads to both of us having a better understanding.
My heart 😭what a kind doggo
I’ve never teared up so fast. This is so precious.
Imagine being a white Republican congressman and seeing a news story that proves a dog in a different hemisphere literally has more compassion than you do.
Don’t even need to go that far, unfortunately. Most Daily Mail readers probably don’t want to see any disconnect there, either 😐
okay so like. something being a coping mechanism doesn’t make it healthy or exempt from criticism. drug abuse is a coping mechanism, self harm is a coping mechanism, alcohol abuse is a coping mechanism, violence is a coping mechanism, all sorts of dangerous and unhealthy things are used to cope. being used to cope does not make these things healthy or okay. there are lots of healthy coping mechanism and the evil antis y’all hate so much just want you to move to a healthier coping mechanism.
Okay, look. I want to go easy on this because op is 14, but there’s something really important that he and everyone else that thinks this post makes sense needs to understand.
If you treat addiction or self harm the way I’ve seen antis treat cope shipping, you’re going to do more harm than good.
I don’t cope ship, so I can’t really make a comparison out of this, but since op already has… I’ve self harmed for almost seventeen years. I’m well aware it’s not healthy. I’ve been in therapy for longer than I’ve been hurting myself. Most mental health professionals I’ve worked with over the last decade are aware that I do this.
Do you know what they do when I bring it up? They don’t rant to me about how unhealthy it is. They don’t tell me I’m a horrible person for hurting myself. They ask if I’ve taken care of the wounds. They ask if I feel unsafe. They ask me to talk about it if I’ve done it rather than being secretive about it. They ask me about my feelings around it and what I felt caused me to do it that time.
Something being not healthy does not mean the answer is berating the person who does it. Nor does making them feel guilty and pressuring them to stop. Most of the time, all you’re going to do is push them deeper into that hole. If they try to promise they’ll stop and they slip up, that’s just more guilt and crappy feelings for their brains to cite as good reasons to keep up the self destructive behavior.
You don’t personally have to be supportive of people’s self destruction, and certainly distance yourself from them if they’re hurting you, but if you’re aggressive about how bad it is that they’re hurting themselves, you’re not going to make them stop doing it, you’re just going to give them more reasons to keep destroying themselves.