On using EOs (more informative, less aggravated screeching) [x]
Another, which contains links, because I really do shout about this a lot. [x]
Sadly, in my experience, no matter how much you tell these morons they’re all completely brainwashed by the “I’m so enlightened with crunchy granola superpowers that nothing mother earth provides can hurt me” nonsense that there is little reasoning with them.
I swear if you put hemlock in front of these people they’d take it out of spite.
good morning don’t fucking use essential oils around your pets especially birds and reptiles and cats spraying your pet with diluted lavender isn’t going to antioxidize them or whatever stupid bullshit you pulled off a holistic website
There are SOME essential oils that are safe for pets but many that can and WILL injure or kill your pet. Do your damn research just like you would for yourself
There are NO essential oils safe for your pets.
I did my research. I am a biochemist.
Essential oils are concentrated extracts, which are highly volatile. Their fumes are full of phenols, monoterpene hydrocarbons, phenylpropanes, and ketones. These compounds are toxic and can cause serious illness and death through extended exposure.
Let’s take a popular one: lavender oil. The active ingredient in essential lavender oil is linaool. Linaool is a cytotoxin, it destroys cell membranes. Inhaled and placed on skin, it can cause permanent damage.
“but what if you dilute it?”
Dilution won’t work. Long time exposure of a diluted toxin will result in the same damage as short term exposure of a concentrated one. Ingesting small amounts of radioactive material over time will give me the same cancer a gamma burst would. And if you dilute it extensively, you’re basically removing any effect you desired of the oil.
There’s no reason to use essential oils around pets. They make calming supplements that aren’t volatile and toxic. They make calming pheramone diffusers. If your animal is destructive (like a plucking parrot) then they’re understimulated and bored. Spritzing your pet with dangerous oils aren’t a substitute for reassessing and changing husbandry.
I’ve used lavender countless times on my cats Sebastian. He has huge paws and lots of fur so he’s susceptible to yeast infections between his little toe beans, and lavender helps speed up the healing process and ease the swelling a bit. I’ve also used lavender for burns on my dogs paw pads.
first of all, if you have a problem with me @ me next time instead of hiding in your tags
Second of all, did you like… actually read what I wrote? Because I literally stated that lavender oil has a toxic component that can cause cell damage over time. Did you conveniently skip over that part?
I have seen MULTIPLE internet sites listing essential oils that are studied and known to be toxic to cats and dogs as “safe”. There are many, many bad sources out there. If you do your research, make sure you’re actually basing your information on scientifically verified, peer-reviewed information, not tertiary sources and anecdotal information.
Do not use essential oils on your pets or around your pets.
If your pet has chronic paw infections, take it to the vet. Your vet can address the root cause (lots of fur and big paws shouldn’t inherently cause yeast infections and I’d really suggest looking at the cat’s diet and other lifestyle issues) and provide more effective, safer treatments.
Essential oils are incredibly toxic for reptiles, birds, and small animals as well. Reptiles and birds are especially susceptible to the fumes (VOCs). This includes essential oil diffusers, which I’ve often seen touted as “safer” than candles. They are not safer and still release dangerous VOCs.
good morning don’t fucking use essential oils around your pets especially birds and reptiles and cats spraying your pet with diluted lavender isn’t going to antioxidize them or whatever stupid bullshit you pulled off a holistic website
There are SOME essential oils that are safe for pets but many that can and WILL injure or kill your pet. Do your damn research just like you would for yourself
There are NO essential oils safe for your pets.
I did my research. I am a biochemist.
Essential oils are concentrated extracts, which are highly volatile. Their fumes are full of phenols, monoterpene hydrocarbons, phenylpropanes, and ketones. These compounds are toxic and can cause serious illness and death through extended exposure.
Let’s take a popular one: lavender oil. The active ingredient in essential lavender oil is linaool. Linaool is a cytotoxin, it destroys cell membranes. Inhaled and placed on skin, it can cause permanent damage.
“but what if you dilute it?”
Dilution won’t work. Long time exposure of a diluted toxin will result in the same damage as short term exposure of a concentrated one. Ingesting small amounts of radioactive material over time will give me the same cancer a gamma burst would. And if you dilute it extensively, you’re basically removing any effect you desired of the oil.
There’s no reason to use essential oils around pets. They make calming supplements that aren’t volatile and toxic. They make calming pheramone diffusers. If your animal is destructive (like a plucking parrot) then they’re understimulated and bored. Spritzing your pet with dangerous oils aren’t a substitute for reassessing and changing husbandry.
I’ve used lavender countless times on my cats Sebastian. He has huge paws and lots of fur so he’s susceptible to yeast infections between his little toe beans, and lavender helps speed up the healing process and ease the swelling a bit. I’ve also used lavender for burns on my dogs paw pads.
first of all, if you have a problem with me @ me next time instead of hiding in your tags
Second of all, did you like… actually read what I wrote? Because I literally stated that lavender oil has a toxic component that can cause cell damage over time. Did you conveniently skip over that part?
I have seen MULTIPLE internet sites listing essential oils that are studied and known to be toxic to cats and dogs as “safe”. There are many, many bad sources out there. If you do your research, make sure you’re actually basing your information on scientifically verified, peer-reviewed information, not tertiary sources and anecdotal information.
Do not use essential oils on your pets or around your pets.
If your pet has chronic paw infections, take it to the vet. Your vet can address the root cause (lots of fur and big paws shouldn’t inherently cause yeast infections and I’d really suggest looking at the cat’s diet and other lifestyle issues) and provide more effective, safer treatments.
Essential oils are incredibly toxic for reptiles, birds, and small animals as well. Reptiles and birds are especially susceptible to the fumes (VOCs). This includes essential oil diffusers, which I’ve often seen touted as “safer” than candles. They are not safer and still release dangerous VOCs.
Y’all really gonna make me bring back the essential oil discourse over whether or not you can ingest essential oils? Really? Really?
Short answer: no, essential oils are not safe to ingest in any way shape or form. They are for atmospheric diffusing or for topical application via the correct dilution methods via the use of a carrier oil. Water cannot dilute an essential oil. It’s basic chemistry.
Long answer: food extracts and tinctures are not the same thing as essential oils, and no, it doesn’t matter if they’re organic or not. “Therapeutic grade” and “food grade” are non regulated terms used by essential oil companies to sell more products, and are not recognized by health governing bodies, including reputable aromatherapy and holistic schools.
I say this as both a patient and practitioner of holistic therapies with nothing to gain or lose from telling you this. I have no motive other than your well being and that of the people around you. As I have stated, many, many times I merely wish you to be safe. (warning, link contains mention of child death.)
If you reblog this post with some variation of “okay but some oils are safe to ingest”, I am sorry, but you are misinformed. And I suggest you read Essential Oil Safety: A Guide for Health Care Professionals by Robert Tisserand and Rodney Young, as your education on the subject has been remiss, and I would hate for your to accidentally harm yourself or someone else through good intentions.
A good holistic practitioner does not reject science. Nor do they advocate for the rejection of conventional medicine. It is not your place to replace the doctor. It is your place to support the person through needing care. Remember that.
I always wonder what kind of uninformed nonsense you must be seeing to feel the need to make these PSAs.
It’s usually people seeing my old posts, deciding to come into my inbox and yell at me because they drink essential oils and they’re fine, so I must be a big pharma plant to discredit their lord and master doTerra/young living.
Cause y’know, that seems more plausible than the idea that they might be wrong.
@thebibliosphere do you have any suggestions on credible, science backed resources for those of us who would like to use essential oils safely? I’ve been wanting to work with them but haven’t because I know I’m uninformed and I know how dangerous they can be. Since you clearly know a lot about them is there a book or website you’d trust?
The book I listed up above is pretty much what I consider to be required reading at this point in terms of safety and also the science of essential oils.
It doesn’t give you the “here’s how to make xyz” the same way other books will, and there’s no feel good factors to it, but that’s not what it’s for.
It is there instead to teach you the basic chemistry of essential oils, the safety of using them (including drug interactions, risks to children, toxicology etc) and to give you the means to think critically about whether you should or should not do something.
It’s rather expensive I know (compared to the mass produced feel good aromatherapy guides written by people with as much scientific knowledge and depth as a tea spoon) but it’s a worthwhile investment. I believe you can actually rent it on Amazon, but you can also ask your library to find copies too.
If you’re looking for recipe books, I might be able to rec a few once I get back to my computer and run through my library (same for websites) but it’s worth bearing in mind you will always read something that conflicts with something else because too little research and education has been done on this kind of thing. I have some authors that I really liked, but in recent years they’ve fallen for the big multi-level-marketing lies companies are spewing and are recommending things they’d have never suggested twenty years ago. (And then usually you find out they’re in sponsorship from them and so much begins to make sense.)
The learning and knowledge most of us have is from years of hands on experience, selecting carefully which advice to follow (ie filtering out the bullshit), and learning from others with decades worth of experience.
So really my best advice is to read broadly, (utilize your local libraries!) and learn to differentiate between the snake oil merchants, and those who actually do their research.
A lot of the harmful stuff can be spotted once you know some basic physiology and chemistry.
Things like “water doesn’t dilulte essential oils because while oil is denser than alcohol, it is less dense than water, ergo it floats on top of water* and cannot be diluted by it” should not be news to people in this field, but unfortunately it is.
*which is how people get chemical burns from dropping non diluted essential oils into their bathtub. The essential oils literally create a film on top of the water, which then comes into contact with the skin.
If this does happen to you, flushing with water might reduce the pain but it won’t get the oil off your skin. Grab a carrier oil (jojoba, coconut, vegetable glycerin, heck even plain old olive oil) and gently swipe liberal amounts of it over the affected area to dilute the molecules further. THEN flush with water.
Now imagine how dangerous it is to get a chemical burn in your esophagus that can’t be diluted by drinking more water. And you’ll understand why I flip my lid when people advocate drinking them.
And no that doesn’t mean you should dilute them with olive oil and drink them either. Use a food extract or tincture instead, they’re designed to be absorbed by the body, and have been distilled for their INTERNAL health properties. Essential oils are distilled for EXTERNAL use.
Essential oils are GRAS chemicals and are intact used for ingestion, however in these instances they are (1) heavily diluted and (2) mixed with fats or fat substitutes.
“Generally Recognized As Safe” however also comes with the caveat of “we don’t really know too much about this, so used correctly this is likely safe” which multi-level-marketing companies have taken and twisted into “just drink some oils sweeties, it’s super healthy for you and totally safe!”
Which is NOT the correct use of them.
Heck, some people even get esophagus burns from peppermint oil capsules—widely used and effective in the treatment of IBS—because the capsule casing doesn’t remain intact until it reaches the gut. (And those burns suuuuck. I speak from first hand experience.)
Which is why I absolutely implore people to not drink essential oils in their water or use them to flavor things (extracts are right there in the grocery aisle, and usually about a third the price) because people do not seem to understand the risk they are taking. They’ve seen the GRAS disclaimer and think it’s harmless, and that’s how you end up with things like internal burns, rapid onset renal failure, sick pets and dead children.
GRAS is not a green light, it’s the amber, and you don’t know if it’s about to turn red or green and it’s better to slow down and assess your situation before plowing on into something you’re not fully prepared to deal with.
Which is why I also urge people find a certified herbalist or functional doctor if this is something they want to pursue because my god, do the majority of people not know what they’re getting into. Heck, I’ve been doing this for over 15 years and I don’t proclaim to know everything. If anything the only thing I’m profoundly aware of is just how much I don’t know.
But I know enough not to kill someone, and that’s a good place to start.
but i know enough
not to kill someone and that’s
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^Haiku^bot^9. I detect haikus with 5-7-5 format. Sometimes I make mistakes.
Oh my god, food extract is not the same as an essential oil.
Food extract is the flavoring of something cooked down into a carrier oil or alcohol that is safe for human ingestion.
Essential oil is the pure extract of the plant refined down and distilled for concentrated medicinal purposes to a significantly higher strength than simply adding ground up mint leaves to your water. The two are not comparable in any way.
Cinnamon extract and cinnamon essential oil are not the same thing.
One is about 100 times the strength of the other and can also cause acute organ failure. I’ll give you a hint, it’s not the food extract.
Sweet gods I’m not trying to be mean, I want you to be aware and safe and stop putting yourselves and others at risk. Please.
Like maybe my tone is hard to read, maybe it just comes off as really angry but it’s not, it’s fear and worry. I read posts and clutch my head in alarm going “no! No! That’s how people die!” And then I get exasperated because a bunch of people not formally qualified chime in with “um actually this is a lie” and it’s not, it’s really, really not.
I’m not some big pharma advocate. I’m a crunchy witch hippy just like you with salt rock lamps and rose quartz all over my house. I just happen to have spent the last 15 years of my life studying the actual science of holistic medicines and I’m trying to help you not get hurt (or worse) becuase you trusted a sales person with no idea what the ever loving hell they were talking about beyond a sales pitch designed to maximize profit. Gah.
I see this so often in the Mommy world. There was a lady not long ago in one of the mom groups who was really worried about her toddler. He’d had a persistent cough for weeks and the doctor couldn’t figure out why. Someone asked, well what have to tried to treat it with, so far? She said she was using a humidifier, honey, and eucalyptus EO in the shower every night.
Yeah.
In case you were wondering, eucalyptus can cause respiratory distress in young children.
Sadly I don’t wonder. I have a friend whose daughter died from a home made menthol oil chest rub. She wasn’t even ten yet, but her mom– a qualified aromatherapist– thought she’d be old enough to handle it. She went into respitory distress and died seizing in her mother’s arms on route to the hospital. It was one of the most harrowing stories I had to listen to during my holistic training. She stood up there, on this podium next to a bunch of ponzy scheme essential oil sellers who looked like they wanted the floor to swallow them, and said “I killed my child with good intentions”.
I’ll never forget the look on her face.
So to reiterate, children under the age of ten should not be directly exposed to things like eucalyptus oil, peppermint or wintergreen. If you are using such things in your house and your child starts to complain of headaches, lethargy and general “feel worse”, don’t just assume it’s the cold/flu. Those are all signs of menthol sensitivity and they only get worse with increased exposure. Ventilate the room, take them outside if you can until the air clears. Do not apply again.
Rapid onset wheezing may be a sign of allergic reaction or possible asthma attack triggered by the menthol too. If they tell you their chest is warm or fuzzy when you use it, that’s another sign it’s not going down well with them. Again, ventilate the area or remove anything you applied to them. Administer inhalers if necessary. Watch for any more labored breathing or if they suddenly go limp or you can’t wake them up. If they do call 911.
This can also apply to people with allergies and asthma who are otherwise healthy.
One of the safest, natural ways to alleviate congestion is with just pure good old fashioned warm steam. Keep the air moist, drink plenty of warm fluids. Menthol can help relieve the feeling of congestion, but there’s limited evidence to suggest it actually clears the airways. And for the love of god don’t inhale mustard or horseradish (I’ve seen that suggestion on posts too, though how you’d get those oils I don’t know). That’s literally what tear gas is made of.
Oh my god, food extract is not the same as an essential oil.
Food extract is the flavoring of something cooked down into a carrier oil or alcohol that is safe for human ingestion.
Essential oil is the pure extract of the plant refined down and distilled for concentrated medicinal purposes to a significantly higher strength than simply adding ground up mint leaves to your water. The two are not comparable in any way.
Cinnamon extract and cinnamon essential oil are not the same thing.
One is about 100 times the strength of the other and can also cause acute organ failure. I’ll give you a hint, it’s not the food extract.
Sweet gods I’m not trying to be mean, I want you to be aware and safe and stop putting yourselves and others at risk. Please.
Like maybe my tone is hard to read, maybe it just comes off as really angry but it’s not, it’s fear and worry. I read posts and clutch my head in alarm going “no! No! That’s how people die!” And then I get exasperated because a bunch of people not formally qualified chime in with “um actually this is a lie” and it’s not, it’s really, really not.
I’m not some big pharma advocate. I’m a crunchy witch hippy just like you with salt rock lamps and rose quartz all over my house. I just happen to have spent the last 15 years of my life studying the actual science of holistic medicines and I’m trying to help you not get hurt (or worse) becuase you trusted a sales person with no idea what the ever loving hell they were talking about beyond a sales pitch designed to maximize profit. Gah.
I see this so often in the Mommy world. There was a lady not long ago in one of the mom groups who was really worried about her toddler. He’d had a persistent cough for weeks and the doctor couldn’t figure out why. Someone asked, well what have to tried to treat it with, so far? She said she was using a humidifier, honey, and eucalyptus EO in the shower every night.
Yeah.
In case you were wondering, eucalyptus can cause respiratory distress in young children.
Sadly I don’t wonder. I have a friend whose daughter died from a home made menthol oil chest rub. She wasn’t even ten yet, but her mom– a qualified aromatherapist– thought she’d be old enough to handle it. She went into respitory distress and died seizing in her mother’s arms on route to the hospital. It was one of the most harrowing stories I had to listen to during my holistic training. She stood up there, on this podium next to a bunch of ponzy scheme essential oil sellers who looked like they wanted the floor to swallow them, and said “I killed my child with good intentions”.
I’ll never forget the look on her face.
So to reiterate, children under the age of ten should not be directly exposed to things like eucalyptus oil, peppermint or wintergreen. If you are using such things in your house and your child starts to complain of headaches, lethargy and general “feel worse”, don’t just assume it’s the cold/flu. Those are all signs of menthol sensitivity and they only get worse with increased exposure. Ventilate the room, take them outside if you can until the air clears. Do not apply again.
Rapid onset wheezing may be a sign of allergic reaction or possible asthma attack triggered by the menthol too. If they tell you their chest is warm or fuzzy when you use it, that’s another sign it’s not going down well with them. Again, ventilate the area or remove anything you applied to them. Administer inhalers if necessary. Watch for any more labored breathing or if they suddenly go limp or you can’t wake them up. If they do call 911.
This can also apply to people with allergies and asthma who are otherwise healthy.
One of the safest, natural ways to alleviate congestion is with just pure good old fashioned warm steam. Keep the air moist, drink plenty of warm fluids. Menthol can help relieve the feeling of congestion, but there’s limited evidence to suggest it actually clears the airways. And for the love of god don’t inhale mustard or horseradish (I’ve seen that suggestion on posts too, though how you’d get those oils I don’t know). That’s literally what tear gas is made of.
I apologize sincerely for bringing this long post back into your lives, fam, but I’m getting inundated with questions about what can the possible harm be if you dab a little neat peppermint oil on your child’s skin to help them with a little head cold, and this is the most succinct way I can put it.
The harm you may do, is in fact death. I am not telling you these things to be a kill joy, I’m telling you so you won’t accidentally kill yours.
If I ever catch you putting neat essential oils on your skin I am gonna be VERY DISSAPOINTED IN YOU and also any blog who tells you its fine is a hack who doesn’t know what the fuck they’re talking out and is probably going to end up with chemical burns.
NOTE; adding a few drops of oil to your regular skin oil/lotion or shampoo is not using it neat. That is diluting it, and is perfectly acceptable.
I mean, if you get chemical burns it’s because there are harmful chemicals in your oils. Per FDA regulations, an essential oil only has to contain 7% of the actual ingredient to be called “pure”. The rest can be synthetic. This is why there is a greater risk of irritation and why many are not safe for consumption, even citrus oils like Orange and Lemon. And this is why you can get a chemical smell. Stay away from store and other very cheap brands.
AFAIK the only brand on the market that’s ACTUALLY 100% pure is doTERRA. And even then, straight oils can cause irritation on people sensitive skin and children. ALWAYS dilute your oil. Fractionated Coconut Oil is the best way to do this, as it will stay liquid. You can also use regular coconut oil or an I scented lotion. Or of course diffuse a few drops with water.
I’ve seen some pretty bad burns on people who used straight clove and pepper oil. It’s not just because there’s additives. Newsflash! Essential oils are made of chemicals! SOME OF THOSE CAN BE HARMFUL, PARTICULARLY WHEN HIGHLY CONCENTRATED AS THEY ARE IN ESSENTIAL OIL.
And there’s lots of carrier oils you can use. No one is the ‘best’. Almond, olive, jojoba, rosehip, avocado…whatever someone finds works best for them. And doTerra is a good brand, but by no means the ONLY good brand.
That 7% thing you just said? Is a myth, usually used by essential oil companies to claim that THEIRS is DIFFERENT!!!!! It’s untrue, and a lie, and NOT TRUE. So far as I can tell, the first mentions of this were by sales reps of a multi level marketing scam to try and hawk their shit. It’s bullshit. And NOT TRUE.
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If you want to try oregano for immunity, fine, GO MAKE SOME TEA WITH DRIED OREGANO FOR FUCK’S SAKE
100% this. I don’t even use 100% tea tree oil neat on my skin, I dilute it with jojoba oil. This doesn’t make it any less effective. If anything it makes it more effective, because I’m not irritating the shit out of already irritated and damaged skin. Oils that explicitly state on the bottle are okay to be applied directly to the skin? Have typically been diluted with something else to make it safe. (NB: water does not dilute essential oils, it disperses them, but doesn’t dilute them. The only time water and essential oil should meat without a carrier oil is in a vaporizer or oil burner.)
Also be really careful using menthol oils (y’know, the stuff you use for congestion) around small children, as they can actually cause breathing difficulties in small children and even result in death. https://naha.org/naha-blog/peppermint-safety-info/
I had a witchy friend who made her own sinus congestion oil blend for years, she was a licensed aromatherapist and had been working for decades in the field. And without thinking, used it on her daughter who was under 6, to help ease a bad head cold. The child went in to respiratory distress and died. She did everything right, the oils were 100% organic natural and well diluted with appropriate carrier oils—that still didn’t make it safe to use on a child. I have midwifing friends who wont even apply vicks vapor rub to their kids because of the risk of respiratory arrest.
If your baby is congested, by all means fill the bathroom with warm steam if it will help them breathe, but avoid menthol oils. Please. And do not apply any essential oil neat to their skin. I’m begging you.
Natural does not mean safe. “Chemical free” does not mean Safe. It just means you better know what the fuck you’re doing and that requires doing more research than trusting pinterest-tumblr witch posts that talk about “chemicals” with no basic understanding that Essential Oils are a chemical substance. Synthetically scented or otherwise.
If the above warnings don’t get you to take the risk seriously, remember that a lot of essential oils are plants natural defenses against insects. So while there are some benefits to using them, they also are the means for a plant to bring harm to a living creature.
Do Not Ingest Them until you consult a doctor. Some can cause problems such as liver or kidney failure if eaten. Talk to a doctor or nurse before consuming any oils or you might find yourself talking to a lot of them.
Do Not Put Them On Your Skin until you did your research and learned if it is safe. Some are safe, some have to be diluted, and some can’t be never be put on skin.
Be Aware of Kid and Small Animals. It takes less to harm something small than it does to harm a full grown adult. Kids also react differently to things than how an adult would react because they are still growing.
Continuing on with my viewing theme I stumbled on a how-to tutorial for “chemical free soap” (it’s soap, silly, the whole thing is a chemical process. Call it what it is, synthetic free.), and the woman who claims to be an “expert” just smeared pure essential oil neat onto her skin because she “just loves this stuff” and I don’t think I’ll ever stop screaming.
Ya dont ever put essential oil neat onto the skin. That’s how ya get chemical burns, ya fucking edjit.
Oh god tell me it wasn’t cinnamon or clove oil.
How did you guess (:
……
“Headdesk”
Systlin, what are your opinions on those young living essential oil things? My sister-in-law just started hawking that shit and I’m getting the don’t-touch-it-with-a-ten-foot-pole feeling from the whole thing.
It’s overpriced garbage.
Okay. I’m sure the oils themselves are fine, but you can get a better quality product for ¼ the price at any reputable seller of essential oils. Go buy Now foods brand on Amazon. Don’t touch the young living oils, they’re an overpriced pyramid scheme.
I KNEW IT I KNEW IT I KNEW IT. THANK YOU.
For what it’s worth, I also get migraines from the Young Living oils, which is indicative that they’re not actually pure essential oil and something synthetic is going on, despite what they claim so I wouldn’t even put them in a carrier oil to put them on my skin. Just in case anyone else has the same sensitivities I have and was thinking of trying them.
I FUCKIN KNEW THEY CUT THAT SHIT WITH SYNTHETICS I FUCKIN KNEW IT okay I didn’t know for sure but I suspected heavily
Young living is trash go buy some good stuff for a fraction of the price.
@thebibliosphere Believe it or not, my former colleague sells young living and Gary Young came here so I went to an event, thinking it would be learning about what different oils did for different things. It was my BFF date night, so she and I went together.
After we left (before the end because she had to get home to trade kid shifts with her husband, thank GOD) I turned to her in the car and apologized for taking her to a cult meeting.
Because honestly? It was horrifyingly cultish. And his claims about using his oils in his medical clinic to cure cancerous tumours, among other things, were so dangerous.
I did some digging, after, and if you look up “Gary Young” and “fraud”, buried beneath all the Young Living pages so it does not show up if you just look at his name, it is appalling. His degree in naturopathic medicine is from an unaccredited university that just mails you whatever degree you want to pay for. He ran a medical clinic in Mexico claiming graduation he’s never achieved (and later said it was a typo). He has practiced medicine without a license (or degree). He was arrested for assaulting his family with an axe in 1994. It goes on and on.
I did suggest to my colleague she might want to research, but she was all, “I know, misunderstanding and what not, blah blah”.
Because it is totally like a cult. With Gary Young as the charismatic, maybe even delusional leader.
(To this day, everyone once and a while I go to my best friend, “remember that time I accidentally took you to a cult meeting?”)
I think I remember you telling me about that, I didn’t realize it was Youngs though. Ooft, boy. Yep, sounds like a pyramid cult scheme to me.
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