Tag: eugenics

sassygaysatan:

thatdiabolicalfeminist:

sassygaysatan:

sure, when my grandfather fought nazis and fascism he was “a hero” and “on the right side of history” but when i do it im “way too sensitive” and “no better than they are”

That’s because when our white grandparents fought Nazis, it was for fear of them taking power away from other white people.

White Europeans and Americans were explicitly fine with genocide and the ideologies that led to it – a great many people, including Churchill, vocally supported most of what the Nazis were doing. Their only fight with Nazis was to maintain sovereignty from takeover.

Today’s Nazi-fighters usually have a problem with white supremacy and the antisemitism and racism etc behind it – which most of our white grandparents didn’t see a problem with and neither do many white people today.

This is why so many people don’t see any reason to stop the Nazis now, or why many others think it’s purely a struggle for Democrats or other neoliberal parties in other countries who might lose political power if they gain traction. Many people don’t see Nazis as a real problem unless they threaten the political power of other white people.

White supremacist organizations and movements have been a life-threatening scourge for people of colour and Jewish people this entire time. It’s really important that we focus on that as the real threat, or we risk having the same myopic perspective as generations past.

This was a great addition to my original post so I’m reblogging it.

(The latest mobile update has the editor screwed up to the point that I can’t figure out how to format this decently right now.)

Important to consider here: The American eugenics movement after World War II (part 1 of 3)

https://m.indyweek.com/indyweek/the-american-eugenics-movement-after-world-war-ii-part-1-of-3/

“As readers will learn throughout the series, people from all walks of life supported the eugenics movement. It was common public policy at the time, and its tacit or overt acceptance reflected the social mores of that era, as morally reprehensible as that seems now.”

As long as this stuff had a low likelihood of directly impacting them? “Respectable” White Americans were overwhelmingly fine with Those Others getting hurt and wiped out. And a lot of this thinking lingers on, with its socially acceptable public face changing over time.

I actually got triggered worse by one reblog, partly talking about how much less than seriously gyno problems get taken pretty much across the board.

Yeah, I’ve strongly suspected for yesrs that I might have endo, with increasingly worse symptoms over time. Which have never gotten taken remotely seriously.

(Surprise, it may be even more common in people with EDS, and/or the worst of the symptoms may actually be coming straight from that with endo possibly overdiagnosed! “Menorrhagia reported by 77.6% of the patients” 😱)

Seeing another version of that post again now was not the best timing, a couple of days after getting another routine pap smear “invitation” letter. When not only do I not have any confidence that they would actually listen to what I am saying about those problems, I do not trust them at all and have not felt safe going back since what happened the last time. In 2005. (No really. It was that traumatizing. Pretty much all the content warnings you might imagine, for both those links.)

So yeah, literally anything could be causing this, and I cannot trust them far enough to even go for a routine exam. Much less try to look into the symptoms again, with the invasive stuff required if they do take it seriously. Even with backup along, and you can bet I really wouldn’t go into that room without someone I trust along now.

Getting brushed off and treated like a particularly stupid naughty child some more is not even the worst case scenario there. And it makes me very angry.

chavisory:

chavisory:

I feel like I’ve said most of what I can usefully say to/about that mommy blogger’s “of course we should use genetic engineering to prevent disability!” post, but…one of the things that just keeps blowing my mind about it…is just how sure she was that “preventing suffering!” was in any way a new or revolutionary thought about the subject.

To be fair, she didn’t think to wonder about the opinions of disabled people at all, but…as if disabled people or anyone else have never thought or seriously considered “but what about preventing suffering?”

Like, yup, eugenics always starts that way.

transgirlnausicaa:

beesintheass:

transgirlnausicaa:

beesintheass:

transgirlnausicaa:

“is being gay genetic” there’s literally no good reason to ask this question. shitheel

???

what

Are you saying that “being gay is genetic” is such an obvious thing that it shouldn’t be asked? Or are you saying that “being gay is genetic” is so untrue that just asking it is offensive?

I don’t believe that being gay is genetic, partly because the studies that have been done on the subject have only been able to show loose correlative connections to being gay by conditions such as in-utero hormone levels, birth order, having an identical twin who is gay. The burden of proof lies on the person proposing that it IS true to prove it, and they have not proven it, thus there is no reasonable position to take than to say that being gay is not genetically caused.

I firmly believe that any scientific study that seeks to find the “biological causative variable” to being gay (such as a specific genetic sequence) has a VERY HIGH POTENTIAL to make it easier to commit anti-gay discrimination, anti-gay genocide, anti-gay eugenics, anti-gay conversion therapy. I do not want people to be able to be outed by a genetic test. Many minors and dependents’ safety is contingent on the fact that they are able to withhold the fact that they are gay from their parents and/or guardians. I do not want “gay” to be a part of people’s medical records, since medical records that indicate transgender status, mental illness, HIV positive status, etc, are currently used to discriminate against people. I do not want people to abort their fetus specifically because a test indicates that fetus will grow up to be gay.

I do not want the medical industry to destroy our ability to self-identify. 

What do you do if you are gay but a genetic test claims that you are straight?

I am a 24 year old lesbian transgender woman. When I was about… 15-19 years old I identified as a bisexual male. I do not want a genetic test for gayness to be done to me in order to determine which one of those identities is “fake” and which one is “real.” I do not want such a test to injure my sense of self. I know who I am. 

I believe that gender and sexual orientation are roles that are socially mandated, meaning that these are not universal labels but rather cultural labels. The idea of bringing genetics and biology into this to reinforce the barriers between different labels is horrible and invites social violence.

Gay people do not need such a test. They know they are gay, thus that test is obsolete.

A genetic test for gayness will not cure homophobia, but give it a weapon. 

Instead of homophobes believing “gay people are moral degenerates” they will believe “gay people are, genetically, moral degenerates. Now please give us your blood so we can see if you are subhuman or not.”

Tennessee jails have been shortening sentences for inmates who get vasectomies or birth control implants

naamahdarling:

loryisunabletosupinate:

justsomeantifas:

stormnicki:

when-it-rains-it-snows:

justsomeantifas:

In other news, eugenics are alive and well in the U S of A.

So this is happening about 20 minutes from where I currently sit. It’s not really eugenics. There is a problem here, yeah, but eugenics isn’t it. White County is overwhelmingly white (racially), very rural, and very poor – per capita income of $14,791. The jail in question has 218 people in a facility intended for 165, and over 60% of the people in the jail are there for misdemeanor offenses. Weed, traffic tickets, and very probably unpaid child support.

The justification given is a desire to, I’m paraphrasing here, help people who have already been in trouble to avoid adding ‘children they didn’t want’ to their list of problems. Hm. Well, for reference, the foster care system in Tennessee is so fucking bad that it has been under federal oversight for sixteen years.

Sooooooo….. Yeah. Yeah.

What’s really sad, here, is the number of people who would want that option without having to go to, you know, jail. Reversible birth control is fucking expensive – these are not people who can afford it. The illiteracy rate in white county is 16.2% – as in, if you can’t read, you’re not likely to be well informed on your birth control options. These are definitely people who have kids to go home to – again, demographically, 75% of them live in a family home (more than one person in the house.)

I don’t have a good, punchy point to make here. Wish I did. So I’ll just say, this is sad. This is a sad, simple band-aid on a sad, ugly and complex problem.

Ok I live in white county and this is the first time hearing about this and I have to say I agree with wat they are doing a large part. I am family with, and I don’t think they should breed. But I also agree that this should be open for non I’m are and instead of just simple birth control a histerectomy for the women. 

Most of the time once someone goes in jail they don’t tend to stay out very long. They may think they want out but in reality they don’t try to hard to straighten up n stay out it’s like they don’t know how to live outside of jail or prison

Hey fuckasses,

thats still eugenics, how about you fucking learn definitions before spouting off shit no one cares about that isn’t even relevant.

If you are deciding you don’t want people to breed because you think the world would be better if they didn’t to a point of literally sterilizing them… GUESS WHAT that’s eugenics. 8) wow. go fucking read a book. jesus christ.

“It’s not eugenics, it’s just *describes eugenics*”

How the fuck about making all varieties of birth control free for everyone, as well as making sterilization possible for people who want it, and simply releasing people who are being held for minor bullshit offenses without the coercive horseshit attached.

And how about none of y’all dipshits recommend a hysterectomy as if it were a minor procedure.

PS: Yes, that’s fucking eugenics. Shut up.

Tennessee jails have been shortening sentences for inmates who get vasectomies or birth control implants

justsomeantifas:

justsomeantifas:

It’s very hurtful to see people responding to us in regards to this eugenics conversation & the topic of people with genetic illnesses having children and saying stuff like “I generally agree with you but I really hope that people with ___ don’t have children.” 

We get it you don’t believe in eugenics from a moral standpoint but if you could you would like to make sure we couldn’t breed. Like I said, I have a genetic blood disorder and I suffer from depression which is a problem for both my parents and other family members as well. You tell us that you understand and then lecture us about why we shouldn’t have children. As if this isn’t something that doesn’t cross all of our minds. Trust me. I probably wouldn’t even want kids anyway but that doesn’t mean the fear of what might happen to my hypothetical child doesn’t cross my mind constantly. You don’t have to tell us what you think about it all, we’ve heard it all before and we’ve thought about it numerous times. 

And you’re not really convincing me when you go on and on about how you don’t think there’s anything wrong with us BUT you pray that we don’t have kids. You say it’s about the possibility of passing on our traits to an innocent, but all I’m hearing is that you don’t think people like us should exist. It’s just hard to see that you’re coming from a place of support or kindness or whatever when you’re butting in with some opinion that nobody asked for about our lives and our worth. 

In my psychopharmacology class we had a paper & discussion on taking medication for mental illness while pregnant. It very quickly turned and several people started to bring up “Well should people with mental illnesses even have kids?” And one guy, I shit you not, said that doctors should secretly lace medication for mentally ill women with something that sterilizes them so they wouldn’t breed. Like, these conversations almost always get bad VERY fast and it’s amazing how many people hold these beliefs.