“The Trump 2020 campaign is reportedly using a shell company to buy ads in coordination with the National Rifle Association, using the same potentially illegal techniques as the 2016 campaign, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Citing FCC records, the center reports that the 2020 campaign has “continued to deploy the same individuals” who ran their 2016 ad buys in coordination with the NRA.”
“Can’t we just have the racism without the misogyny? Is that too much to ask?” (Who would have thought that a system based on fear of the other and enforcing “traditional gender roles” would fear the other and enforce traditional gender roles?)
It’s my opinion that like if a white supremacist/Nazi is going to be reformed. They need to do so willingly. The only times I’ve heard of successful rehabilitation of fascists is when they made the conscious decision to no longer be one anymore and seek atonement. People who try to like hug and change fascists that don’t want to change are fucking morons
Correct. I was crypto-facist for a few years, and the people trying to hug me didnt change me because at that point I wouldnt have listened. It was only when I started to see the movement for what it was that I was finally able to listen.
I’m not derailing your addition but I’m horrified you’re only 18. When did you become a fasc?
Yeah trust me it *is* horrifying. I’m ashamed of who I was and I think my only atonement is to talk about how damn easy it is to become one when you’re young.
This is gonna be a long post.
For a little bit of background, I am a mixed race person, half brown and half white. I was raised in a Muslim family and am still closeted around them.
I started to have issues with Islam at around 12 or so, when I first started to get the idea that I might be gay. Now I never would have admitted that was my reason. If you had asked me I probably would have said “logic” or something. Because of that I went hard into atheism and atheist circles.
Now people hate to admit this but ex-Muslim spaces are predominantly right wing. Ex-Muslims often see the left as “too tolerant” towards a religion that hurt them. This was the only community I had though, and I read through everything. I was 13.
The other thing that people hate to admit is that, especially when you’re young, being mixed race is so damn hard. If I acted “too white”, following my mother’s German/Austrian traditions, I was accused of hiding my true nature. But if I acted “too brown” I was just another camel jockey. So I hid my “Indian” customs from others and tried passing as white. Especially online.
So I’m not saying this is all youtube’s fault or anything. I was raised to believe that the brown half of my family was lesser and stupid. And with my hatred of Islam, I believed it doubly.
Then came Anita Sarkeesian. I was watching pewdiepie and from there my recommendations were all set. If I’m remembering the pipeline it was pewdiepie – Philip Defranco – Chris Ray Gun (sp?) – Thunderfoot – Sargon – etc. But I was pretty much acquainted with all of the right wing youtube of the day.
Funnily enough, I found her through Thunderfoot. That got me into antifeminism, and more specifically, GamerGate.
I was primarily on the subreddits KIA (Kotaku In Action) and TIA (Tumblr In Action). Both made fun of the SJWs. I kid you not, I would gleefully wait for “Sanity Sunday”, where the people would talk about how feminism is disgusting, cultural appropriation is fake, the wage gap isnt real, etc. I would scroll through this tag for hours.
I got most of my youtube recommendations from those subreddits. This led me from GamerGate to more fascist lines of thinking, such as watching videos about why BLM is a terrorist organization, why all muslims were evil rapists, and why I was fundamentally right to reject my Indian heritage and follow my “correct” heritage.
From here I delved into “race realism”, and I believed it all. I had to. This was the only community I had felt safe in. One of the fash guys even offered to shack me up at his house if my parents kicked me out for being atheist. I was 15.
To say that again, I was 15 and believed that white was right, blue lives matter, “we wuz kangs”, etc. I never would have called myself a fascist or a Nazi. How could I? I used my brown skin as a token, so that people could point to me and say: “See, we aren’t misogynistic and racist! We have this brown girl right here.” But I believed in all the things the Nazis did. I’m not going to pretend I didn’t. I will never pretend I didn’t.
But then something happened. I admitted to myself, and to a few others, that I was gay. And suddenly, the homophobia that I had molded myself in, it didn’t fit right. I happened to, by accident, click on the reddit thread of GamerGhazi, the opposition to GamerGate. And after a long bout of introspection I found out that they were accepting of gay people, that the things I had been experiencing were common, that maybe, just maybe, we didn’t need a white ethnostate.
I don’t want to be dramatic but that accidental click saved my life.
From there it was a road of recovery. I deleted all my old accounts, made new ones, and started to read leftist theory. I found better friends, cut out old people. So now, just about two years later, I’m healing.
I think that’s everything. I probably got some times and dates wrong because I’ve been trying to move on from it. But if you need more info or anything like that, please let me know.
Reblogging for anyone who’s struggling with being an ex-fascist. Feel free to message me as well, I know how scary it can be.
This is a fascinating read if you’re interested in just how the alt-right works, and how it recruits people.
It’s also fascinating to me because I was an atheist long before New Atheism appeared. And at first I was happy about it, because omg! people talking about this weird thing I usually kinda have to hide! And there was a lot of content on youtube that was, like, “how critical thinking works” or series about why way out there things like creationism sound hard to argue with when master manipulators talk about it. And I loved all of that.
But that eventually led me to stuff like–as this person mentions–thunderfoot, and I remember looking at it and just being baffled. We were supposed to be rational, and here this guy was ranting about feminism.
And like… I’d been in culty feminist circles, even. I liked the idea of debunking or reexamining concepts like “privilege” or “shut up and listen” or “people with this identity get to talk more.”
But it just seemed so weird and mean and off point. I wonder now why I was resistant to it, when some folks aren’t.
It’s my opinion that like if a white supremacist/Nazi is going to be reformed. They need to do so willingly. The only times I’ve heard of successful rehabilitation of fascists is when they made the conscious decision to no longer be one anymore and seek atonement. People who try to like hug and change fascists that don’t want to change are fucking morons
Correct. I was crypto-facist for a few years, and the people trying to hug me didnt change me because at that point I wouldnt have listened. It was only when I started to see the movement for what it was that I was finally able to listen.
I’m not derailing your addition but I’m horrified you’re only 18. When did you become a fasc?
Yeah trust me it *is* horrifying. I’m ashamed of who I was and I think my only atonement is to talk about how damn easy it is to become one when you’re young.
This is gonna be a long post.
For a little bit of background, I am a mixed race person, half brown and half white. I was raised in a Muslim family and am still closeted around them.
I started to have issues with Islam at around 12 or so, when I first started to get the idea that I might be gay. Now I never would have admitted that was my reason. If you had asked me I probably would have said “logic” or something. Because of that I went hard into atheism and atheist circles.
Now people hate to admit this but ex-Muslim spaces are predominantly right wing. Ex-Muslims often see the left as “too tolerant” towards a religion that hurt them. This was the only community I had though, and I read through everything. I was 13.
The other thing that people hate to admit is that, especially when you’re young, being mixed race is so damn hard. If I acted “too white”, following my mother’s German/Austrian traditions, I was accused of hiding my true nature. But if I acted “too brown” I was just another camel jockey. So I hid my “Indian” customs from others and tried passing as white. Especially online.
So I’m not saying this is all youtube’s fault or anything. I was raised to believe that the brown half of my family was lesser and stupid. And with my hatred of Islam, I believed it doubly.
Then came Anita Sarkeesian. I was watching pewdiepie and from there my recommendations were all set. If I’m remembering the pipeline it was pewdiepie – Philip Defranco – Chris Ray Gun (sp?) – Thunderfoot – Sargon – etc. But I was pretty much acquainted with all of the right wing youtube of the day.
Funnily enough, I found her through Thunderfoot. That got me into antifeminism, and more specifically, GamerGate.
I was primarily on the subreddits KIA (Kotaku In Action) and TIA (Tumblr In Action). Both made fun of the SJWs. I kid you not, I would gleefully wait for “Sanity Sunday”, where the people would talk about how feminism is disgusting, cultural appropriation is fake, the wage gap isnt real, etc. I would scroll through this tag for hours.
I got most of my youtube recommendations from those subreddits. This led me from GamerGate to more fascist lines of thinking, such as watching videos about why BLM is a terrorist organization, why all muslims were evil rapists, and why I was fundamentally right to reject my Indian heritage and follow my “correct” heritage.
From here I delved into “race realism”, and I believed it all. I had to. This was the only community I had felt safe in. One of the fash guys even offered to shack me up at his house if my parents kicked me out for being atheist. I was 15.
To say that again, I was 15 and believed that white was right, blue lives matter, “we wuz kangs”, etc. I never would have called myself a fascist or a Nazi. How could I? I used my brown skin as a token, so that people could point to me and say: “See, we aren’t misogynistic and racist! We have this brown girl right here.” But I believed in all the things the Nazis did. I’m not going to pretend I didn’t. I will never pretend I didn’t.
But then something happened. I admitted to myself, and to a few others, that I was gay. And suddenly, the homophobia that I had molded myself in, it didn’t fit right. I happened to, by accident, click on the reddit thread of GamerGhazi, the opposition to GamerGate. And after a long bout of introspection I found out that they were accepting of gay people, that the things I had been experiencing were common, that maybe, just maybe, we didn’t need a white ethnostate.
I don’t want to be dramatic but that accidental click saved my life.
From there it was a road of recovery. I deleted all my old accounts, made new ones, and started to read leftist theory. I found better friends, cut out old people. So now, just about two years later, I’m healing.
I think that’s everything. I probably got some times and dates wrong because I’ve been trying to move on from it. But if you need more info or anything like that, please let me know.
Reblogging for anyone who’s struggling with being an ex-fascist. Feel free to message me as well, I know how scary it can be.
I found growing up authoritarian, with a too strict set of parents and rules that at least partly have no connection to reality but are enforced by will, having to hide and/or perform or allow performance of is a common factor of people leaning to the right and going to hate groups. Heck, with this you even end up in an authoritarian left leaning group and destroy it from inside by unchecked vicious mockery…
I’ve grown up like this, luckily not religious, but it took me AGES to shake off and many of my similarly afflicted peers did not. They are stuck in what they’ve learned to see as trustworthy, which is top down, snide, demanding and excluding. Arbitrary and rationalized rules, domination both physically and mentally.
Watch out for the signs if you’re afflicted and if you really want to help destroy a Nazi, show them mental freedom, not debate politics and who gets to live. Please don’t be mad at me, but I’ve turned some borderline MRA with this, with having strong opinions on how they were treated as children. Didn’t even need to like them personally.
I’m not absolving people from personal responsibility, but you should know that behind almost every asshole is a child who was taught trauma, pain, shame and learning to suppress harmless urges and emotions is a normal childhood.
I just saw a bunch of conservatives expressing how much they don’t care that a migrant woman got impaled by a pole while crossing the border like what the fuck is wrong with you people? How can you possibly celebrate that? That’s so fucked up.
like how is that even funny? That’s just cruel.
Because conservative tumblr is constantly in a rave to see who can be the edgiest fuck on this hellsite
We need a name for this thing. Like… “turning empathy off on purpose” used to work but people are weird about that word.
I’d say “willful cruelty” but that… it’s accurate, but I think there’s also something else going on. Like, it’s a process. Not many people wake up and decide “today I’m going to laugh at a child being brutalized by my own government.”
But there’s a slow process that begins at “I’m going to be tough and unaffected” and, when encouraged by social environments and powerful leaders, metastasizes into this.
It’s dehumanization as a… mental process, basically.
Once you sell the idea that dehumanizing others is cool, it expands by itself.
How about “Training yourself to find atrocities delightful.”
It’s a defense mechanism people use when they feel like others are exploiting their sense of horror to make them believe false things.
When the things others were trying to make them believe were true after all, it looks like this, and then sometimes there are genocides.
(Also most of the conservatives I know would find this just as horrifying as I do. This is right-wing extremism.)
I feel like I’m not understanding this bit: “people use when they feel like others are exploiting their sense of horror to make them believe false things.” So… people are becoming extremists as a defense mechanism because… they think other people are lying to them?
I get the sense I misparsed… something.
(And yes, I agree. This thing that’s arisen isn’t conservatism. It’s, like… right-wing cancer. All it knows how to do is grow, and as it does it gets more and more absurd and more and more violent.
The same thing can and does arise on the left sometimes too.)
It makes perfect sense to me. Well, sort of.
You read about this poor woman. Then you read a bunch of posts saying,
“This proves we need to abolish ICE!”
“This is why we need open borders!”
And, well, you don’t want open borders. Open borders and free immigration would allow all kinds of dangerous criminals to enter the country and hurt innocent people while depressing the economy.
But if you were to understand this as being as monstrous as it is, you would be strengthening the case for the even worse horrors that would come of opening the borders.
So you train yourself to see it as good, because that’s less psychologically painful and less damaging to your cause then seeing it as a necessary evil or an abomination.
“If my cause was committing abominations, then I couldn’t in good conscience support it. Therefore, my cause must not be committing abominations.”
I have a different take on this. A substantial chunk of the right is “post-policy”; their primary objective is “owning the libs.” The fact that these reactions are upsetting to you is the point. They do not, in fact, sincerely like the idea of people being impaled and would likely be horrified by it if they witnessed it, even if the people in question were brown.
I can kind of see that, but that basically means these people have either 1) actively decided to ignore that owning the libs means approving policies that make this stuff more common or 2) passively decided to ignore that owning the libs means approving policies that make this stuff more common
…The study released ahead of a conference this week in the UK Parliament on misogyny and anti-Semitism found that Jewish women MPs are 15% more likely to be the targets of bile on far-right website Stormfront than their male peers.
The venom they receive is particularly noxious, too, given that it combines the hatreds of women and Jews. The likes of Dame Margaret Hodge, Luciana Berger, and Ruth Smeeth – all prominent Labour parliamentarians – are not just c**ts, they are Jewish c**ts, as their online detractors might put it.
…One of the ongoing stories of Labour’s years-long anti-Semitism crisis has been the preponderance of hate and violent rhetoric directed at the party’s Jewish women MP’s in particular.
Earlier this month, the UK police launched an investigation into violent anti-Semitic threats made against Berger, who had to attend Labour’s Party Conference this year flanked by armed police guards after receiving credible threats to her life on social media.
Parliamentary Speaker John Bercow told the Sara Conference that his own experience of anti-Semitism, “Dwindles into complete insignificance and nothingness in comparison with what female Jews have experienced and do experience.”
At a general parliamentary debate on anti-Semitism in April, Smeeth got a standing ovation after reading out her hate mail “greatest hits”. These included choice specimens like: “First job for Jeremy Corbyn tomorrow expel the Zionist Bicom smearhag bitch from the party,” and “The gallows would be a fine fitting place for this dyke piece of yid shit to swing from.”
For Jews who wish to participate in political life in the UK, abuse is “par for the course,” Smeeth said.
During the same debate, Berger described how the hate came from both far-right and far-left.
Four people from the far right have been convicted for abuse against her; after one of those convictions, Berger noted, “a far-right website in the United States initiated the #filthyjewbitch campaign, which the police said resulted in me receiving over 2,500 violent, pornographic and extreme anti-Semitic messages in just one day alone.”
She went on to point out that, “in 2018, anti-Semitism is now more commonplace, more conspicuous and more corrosive within the Labour party,” and the abuse she’s received from the left includes accusations “of having two masters. They have said that I am Tel Aviv’s servant, and called me a paid-up Israeli operative…suggesting that I am a traitor to our country. They have called me Judas, a Zionazi and an absolute parasite, and they have told me to get out of this country and go back to Israel.”
According to the research, members of Stormfront not only hate Jewish women in power, they also see feminism as a Jewish plot, adding to the litany of anti-Semitic tropes that sees the Jewish people pulling invisible levers behind a curtain and controlling the world.
This, along with the other findings, highlights the fact, often taken for granted, that women are on the front lines when it comes to society’s expressions of violence. Only in 2016, Labour MP Jo Cox was murdered by a far-right extremist. Her killer shot and stabbed her in the street in broad daylight.
Anecdotally at least, we already know what this research shows: that women who stick their heads above the parapet are on the receiving end of a horrific cocktail of abuse. This abuse interweaves their identity and perceived weakness with a hatred of women.
We saw it in the vitriol aimed at Hillary Clinton when she ran for president. We saw it in the barrage of hate U.S. Jewish journalist Julia Ioffe received after she profiled Melania Trump in 2016.
Here in the UK, we have seen it in the abuse suffered by Jewish women in Parliament and in the combination of racism and sexism aimed at women of color and minorities. Labour’s Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott, the first black woman to become an MP in the UK, received more abuse in the run-up to the general election in June last year than any other woman parliamentarian, according to Amnesty International…
Of course, there is a difference between anti-Semitic and (or) misogynistic trolling and physical abuse, but both are part of the same spectrum of violence. The Pittsburgh shooting only this month and Jo Cox’s murder are just two pieces of evidence, if anyone actually needed it, that violent rhetoric can and does end in bloodshed…
It was a grisly scene inside Apartment 3722 at the Hamptons, a gated community in Tampa, Florida.
One body lay face up on the floor, wedged between a wall and an air
mattress. A handgun was stuffed in a holster on the dead man’s waist.
The other body, clad in a black T-shirt and shorts, was slumped back on a
futon, a shattered and bloody iPhone on his lap. A police investigator
would later write that the two men had been “shot multiple times at
close range with an assault rifle.”
There were some obvious clues that this was no ordinary double
homicide. Tacked to the wall near the bodies was a large black-and-white
flag bearing the insignia of the Schutzstaffel, or SS, Adolf Hitler’s
elite paramilitary unit. On a nearby shelf was a black Stahlhelm, the
distinctive helmet worn by Nazi soldiers during World War II. There were
multiple copies of “Mein Kampf” and a prominent place was
reserved for “The Turner Diaries,” the infamous novel of race war in
America that has inspired generations of terrorists, among them Timothy
McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber. A framed picture of McVeigh sat on a
dresser.
On that night in May 2017, the police quickly took two suspects into
custody and developed a rough outline of what had happened. One of the
suspects, Devon Arthurs, 18, said the victims were his roommates, and
members of a neo-Nazi group called the Atomwaffen Division. Arthurs said
that he’d decided to leave the group, and that he’d killed the men to
keep them from carrying out what he said were their plans for violence.
The second suspect detained by police, Brandon Russell, also lived in
the apartment. Russell told the authorities he’d just returned home
from a weekend of training with the Florida Army National Guard. And
then Russell revealed something that should have set off alarms among
federal investigators assigned to track the growing threat from armed,
violent right-wing extremists. He said, and the police quickly
confirmed, that the single-car garage attached to the apartment was full
of explosives.
Explosives experts from the Tampa Police Department and the local FBI
field office soon found components of a crude pipe bomb as well as
radioactive materials. The search turned up ammonium nitrate and
nitromethane, the mixture used by McVeigh to destroy the federal
building in Oklahoma City in 1995. There were sacks of explosive
precursors, including potassium chloride, red iron oxide and potassium
nitrate. There were homemade fuses fashioned from brass 5.56 mm rifle
cartridges. In a closet, they found two Geiger counters.
And there was a cooler with the name Brandon scrawled on the lid in
black marker. Inside, the investigators discovered HMTD — hexamethylene
triperoxide diamine — a potent, highly volatile peroxide-based
explosive. It has become a favored tool of terrorists both here and
abroad, who cook it up in small batches using recipes circulating on the
internet and in improvised weapons manuals.
At Tampa police headquarters, investigators put Arthurs and Russell
in separate interrogation rooms. They wanted to know about the killings,
about the neo-Nazi group and about the explosives.
Arthurs said the apartment had served as a nerve center for
Atomwaffen Division, a white supremacist organization of 60 to 70 people
that has spoken openly of its hopes of igniting race war in the United
States. If the authorities could access the group’s encrypted online
chats, Arthurs said, “it’d be easy to track down each member.” The
interrogation was videotaped, and a recording was obtained by ProPublica
and Frontline.
“The things that they’re planning were horrible. They’re planning
bombings and stuff like that on countless people, they’re planning to
kill civilian life,” Arthurs said. A detective asked if Atomwaffen had
drawn up a list of specific targets. “Power lines, nuclear reactors,
synagogues, things like that,” Arthurs replied.
“I’m telling you stuff that the FBI should be hearing,” Arthurs said, adding that he thought lives could be saved.
To this day, it is unclear if the FBI talked with Arthurs or what
steps it took to shut down Atomwaffen. The FBI declined repeated
requests to discuss the case. But this much is clear: Within months of
Arthurs’ warnings, Atomwaffen members or associates had killed three
more people.
I find it interesting that fascists in countries like Brazil and Poland use the same rhetoric about ‘protecting western civilisation’ as the fascists in Britain or the United States, who, in general, consider Brazilian and Polish immigrants to be degenerate scum who are polluting their ‘western’ way of life.
It’s almost as if fascism is an incoherent grab-bag of paper-thin excuses for behaving like an irredeemable shitgoblin.
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