@qr-sa – Taking a quick look at more info to try and come up with a better description than I could off the top of my head? It sounds like maybe the Asian varieties that need to get “spoon out the insides” soft before they’re ready to eat might not be nearly as different as the type I’ve tried before.
The only variety I’ve tried was one of the non-astringent type eaten before they’re totally ripe and mushy inside. (I think the “Sharon Fruit” variety, actually.) I’m guessing that’s what I’ve seen for sale so far because they ship better. Besides the different texture at that stage, the flavor wasn’t nearly as sweet and complex. Which makes sense if it was meant to be eaten not as ripe.
(Almost like the difference between Asian pear varieties and the soft Bosc/Seckel type pears, now that I think about it. I thought maybe the persimmons were all firmer too.)
Now I’m interested in finding some of the other type, which do sound a lot more like American persimmons.
Much of the fruit on trees in a relatively sunny position at Kew after a relatively warm summer in 1996 was still not fully ripe, though it was very nearly so and ripened well off the tree
And that was a noteworthy performance 😅
It’s also very unlikely to get frosted at the appropriate time. Which, in my estimation, makes parsnips and rutabagas/swedes just about edible without the weird sweet tones (though a lot of people do want that)–but is kinda the opposite of what you need to get persimmons worth eating.
Even if we had the space, that would have to be a nope. Pretty as the trees are.
(You can find Asian persimmons here, but the flavor/texture are very different. The North American kind don’t ship worth a damn either, like pawpaws, which is why they’re not really grown commercially.)
It’s been awhile since I’ve talked about these, but it’s pawpaw season!
This is the fruit of a pawpaw tree – Asimina triloba – a wonderful fruit tree native to the eastern US / Appalachia. Many people have never heard of it, let alone tried it, because the fruits don’t last and they don’t ship worth a damn. They get bruised SUPER easily. It’s kind of like an illicit substance, people get the fruits, because they know someone, who knows of a place to get harvest them.
These came from an old employee of the plant nursery, who gave them to a still-current coworker, who shared them with everyone. In the second picture, I chomped into the fruit so you could see what it looks like inside before I devoured it.
Pawpaws taste like a cross between a mango and a banana. There’s a smoky aftertaste. It’s a complex flavor.
The trees can be tricky to grow, and there’s a huge difference from seedling to seedling, tree to tree. They are full of seeds, which I saved for V. I took the second one home to V, who shared it with some family friends who’d never tried it either.
We figured out pretty quickly how to germinate these from seed, at around a 90% success rate (one year we had a 100% success rate) – which is kind of unheard of. However, our plants struggled horribly as we experimented with where they’d be happiest. I told V they were naturally found near rivers and sure enough, our most successful plants are down by the river. They want a shallow water table. Now that we’ve figured out the germinating and what they actually want once they’re germinated, I expect we’ll have quite a few more trees in the future.
Word is that some of the farmers in neighboring counties are catching onto the pawpaw demand, and are starting to plant it too.
Technically, the fruit produces a neurotoxin, though not really in quantities thought to hurt anyone. There are breeding programs to try to breed that out though.
Jade Buddha’s hand citron, made in China, 1368-1644 (via).
Though not edible, the Buddha’s hand citron was prized for its scent and its resemblance to a pair of outstretched hands. It was one of a number of plant motifs that entered the repertoire of jade vessels and objects during the Ming dynasty. In addition to its possible religious significance, its resemblance to outstretched hands also came to represent the ever-present theme of increased wealth. – from the Asian Art Museum description
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