starting to feel more and more like my gender is “autism”
to expound on this (it’s okay to reblog the expanded version):
I like living in a female body. I like my sexed characteristics. I like presenting femininely. I like being referred to as “she”. I have always been uncomplicatedly cis by pretty much every measure, and I don’t think that has changed. What’s changed, I think, is what all those things *mean* to the world around me.
“It doesn’t feel good when people say ‘everyone’ and they don’t mean you.” I heard that the other day, and I haven’t been able to let it go. It crystallizes what I’ve been feeling over the past year: that autistic women, or at least high-systemizing-low-empathizing women, are being increasingly defined out of womanhood itself. I’m seeing a return to frankly disturbing essentialism among women of my generation. It’s of a piece with that “feminist astrology” post I wrote a while back, but it’s more than that. It’s a creeping woo-ishness in the gender discourse that’s beginning to make me nauseous.
It seems, to my admittedly untrained eye, that despite constant pretenses at breaking down the gender binary, millennial and Gen Z women are not just enforcing it – they’re widening the gulf. The general mood is that there are things women know that men just can’t understand or even truly empathize with. On the more overly woo-ish end of things, there’s astrology and “feminine energy” and literal goddess worship. But the essentialized dichotomy shows up in more mainstream media, too. It underlies every thinkpiece on “how women feel” about X, Y, or Z. It’s there when women of my cohort make fun of STEMlords and “well actually"s and hyperlogical white dudes and expect me to laugh along with it. It’s not even subtle in posts like “women’s atheism is fundamentally different from men’s” and “women don’t say what they mean and that’s okay”. It’s present in every piece of emotional manipulation disguised as activism that women, being The Nurturing Ones, are supposed to fall for.
Obviously the stereotype itself is nothing new – what’s new is the enthusiasm with which my generation has seemingly decided to lean into it. I fear that by the time we’re fully in control of the media and the public narrative, women like me might be defined out of womanhood altogether. And I fear that responses to this concern will run along the lines of “it’s okay, just admit you’re non-binary”. I’m *not* non-binary! You fucks just moved the goalposts! Narrowing what counts as “woman” isn’t okay just because claiming non-binary genders is becoming more of an option. It’s still defining people out against their will.
tl;dr my gender is “too femme to count as male but too high-systemizing for The Sisterhood”
This may be recency bias on my end, but goddamn, today’s gender essentialism makes everything surrounding the concept of gender so very confusing. The worst part is that it’s gender essentialism dressed up as ‘breaking down the gender binary’. It’s basically just a repackaging of traditional gender norms with the labels on what’s good and what’s bad switched around.
But not quite. A lot of the vitriol directed at what they think is typically male is just slagging on autistic people. When you tell them this, they’ll look at you funny and say that of course they don’t hate autistic people, they’re not ableist!
But that’s because they don’t know what autism is, they don’t know what it actually looks like in the nitty-gritty, beyond the idealised image they have in their heads.
There’s a lot said about how autism is severely underdiagnosed in women because the behaviours that indicate autism are generally expected of women in society, yet I see a lot of these people stereotyping all men as having these autistic traits, while not realising they are autistic traits, and then unilaterally (or at least, without any concern for the scrupulous, which is to say, many autistic people) declaring all these traits to be bad and in need of changing.
And there’s just so much collateral damage in that approach! They’re hurting so many people that they don’t even mean to hurt and I just want to scream at them to stopdoing that.
But then I’d just be aggressive, I guess.
A part of the gender thing on here, in particular, seems to be the repackaging of any action or feeling or concept related to gender not stereotypically on one side of the male/female dichotomy as non-binary. I am aware that there are non-binary people, but no every woman who presents as/likes sterotypically masculine things is non-binary and the same with men and femininity. It seems like, out of an effort to broaden the gender spectum, some people have been reinforcing gender essentialism, instead.
THIS. It’s not that non-binary identities aren’t real. It’s that some people are using them as yet another box instead of a reason to complicate the idea of boxes in the first place.
Hey everyone, I’m about to say something very political about issues relating to gender identity. If you don’t want to read it, I understand, but before you decide to skip I’d like to ask you to consider this:
I understand that people come on to tumblr because they deal with all sorts of issues in the real world ranging from poverty to systemic discrimination to the vicious cycle created by the interaction of poverty and systemic discrimination, and some come to tumblr specifically to air out those issues with other like-minded people, but others come to tumblr to escape that and instead to think about nerd shit and/or pretty subs in ballgags. To an extent I feel this myself, I occasionally talk about social issues on this blog but I don’t make them the focus because mostly I wanna think about other things. And if you really don’t wanna read posts like this, I understand, you need to focus on self-care.
But if you’re at all willing, I’d like to ask you to stay and read this, and if you’re cis, even if you’re a little uncomfortable reading about heavy social issues on tumblr, I’d like to ask you, not demand, just politely ask you, to work through that discomfort right now because what I’m about to say is important for cis people to know. This won’t be very long, and after it’s done you can, and should, go back to distracting yourself from the horrible, awful social issues you’re dealing with yourself in this corrupt, wildly unequal crapshoot of a society, and if you really don’t wanna see it, I’ve tagged it so you can block it. But again, please don’t unless you really feel you need to.
Okay, here we go
I don’t generally like to try and make things an oppression olympics or go “this marginalized group is more oppressed than this marginalized group”, we’re all suffering together. But the inescapable fact is no matter what I’d like to do, the benefits of the last few decades of gains in LGBT rights have been primarily felt by cis gay and lesbian people. Everyone else has been falling behind them, especially trans/nb people, and of course extra especially trans/nb people of color. Why does our society have so much trouble with trans rights? I think there’s a few reasons, but I’d like to highlight one in particular:
Unlike many marginalized groups in and out of the LGBT community, cis society fundamentally does not understand, on a very basic level, what we actually are. Even the most tolerant, well meaning, well-intentioned cis people, who understand in an abstract way that we are the genders we identify as and try to treat us that way, don’t get some fairly basic things about us, in a way that affects how they go about trying to support us. And to some degree, there are things you’ll never really understand without being trans, but there are still some very basic things cis people can understand, and do understand when trans people have the time and patience to explain to them, but otherwise are completely unaware of. I’m gonna tell you all those things, so if you wanna signal boost this, please reblog it:
First of all, you need to understand that gender is at its very base, a social construct. No more, no less. It has no meaning other than what we as a society assign it. It’s not about sex. Sex itself does not follow the binary idea of gender we have. Some people are born with XY chromosomes but completely feminine bodies. Some people are intersex and their genitals and larger bodies do not fully fit into either conventional sex category, like they have a clit and a pair of partially developed testicles, or breasts and a penis, etc. some people have hormone imbalances caused at birth or by accidents later in life. If gender was about sex, there would be dozens of genders, and the fact that intersex people are still labeled at birth as either male or female should tell you without a shadow of doubt that gender as society defines it isn’t about your body, it’s about what gender your doctor and parents decided you were when you were born. And don’t try to bring non-human life into this, there are animals with no sexes at all, animals that are all one sex and reproduce by cloning, animals who change sex when there aren’t enough breeding options, animals who change sex based on the weather, and more, crazier shit.
And furthermore, most of what we associate with gender has not a goddamn thing to do with sex. What colors are girly. What job positions are masculine. Whether real men show their emotions and show vulnerability. How men and women dress and are expected to cultivate their bodies. And many smaller, subtler things, some so small they’re impossible to consciously notice or define, but are always there.
This is what gender is, and every culture, era, religion, and society has defined it differently. When high heels were invented it was a form of men’s fashion. Men all over the world wear skirts. Women are seen as emotional and temperamental in some countries, and cold and stoic in others. Some cultures like ours have 2 genders. Some have many, the peoples of the First Nation for example. Gender is a construct with no inherent meaning, this is a basic fact of psychology, sociology, biology, philosophy and logic. If you disagree with this indisputable fact, you are wrong. Totally and completely, and you’d be able to see that if you could see beyond your indoctrination with western dogma. I don’t care about your high school level understanding of biology, or your westernized interpretation of a non-western holy book only considered holy by a select fraction of the human population. (And for the record I’m religious and this is not meant to denigrate the role of religion in your life or make fun of religious believers, but you have to realize how much of your understanding of religion comes from cultural practice and not genuine spirituality. And if you’re reading this and you’re not religious, that’s also cool and other people’s religious beliefs should not be allowed to determine your gender identity for you). Gender is a human invention made to try and impose order on a chaotic world even where no such order actually exists.
Now, you may be asking then, if gender is simply a construct, then why does gender identity matter at all, and what does it mean for someone like me to say they identify as a woman? Well, that’s an understandable question, but the short answer is social constructs may be fake but they still hold power. Money is a social construct, it’s only worth what we agree it to mean, but that doesn’t mean poverty is meaningless. If you don’t have the money, then societal norms and constructed rules will make you suffer for it. And gender is the same. Societal norms like gender are deeply ingrained into the psyche of everyone living in a society, and they cannot be just ignored. Human beings need validation from other people and from society, and when we feel at odds with the gender construct society has given us and the things that come with it, that causes dysphoria.
In other words, society is telling us we’re one thing, our brain is telling us that we’re something else. Something that doesn’t fit with the societal idea of the gender we’ve been assigned. That causes us to have a hard time being confident in our own identity, and a hard time trusting our own reality, and the brain starts to wonder if it’s somehow wrong about itself. Thus, it becomes difficult to retain our sense of self. The only antidote is to find a different societally constructed identity, or an identity that specifically rejects those societal constructs, and identify with that. And we can’t just identify with that to ourselves, we need other people to validate that identity. We need other people to treat us as the gender identity we see ourselves as, because society is fundamentally not fulfilling our need for validation, and we need the people around us to substitute for that.
That’s why some of us get surgery and hormone treatments. It’s not actually because our body is “male” or “female”, it’s because that body reminds us of the identity society has assigned us that we don’t want. Our own bodies cause us dysphoria, and that can lead to crippling panic attacks and dissociation from reality, and that’s why some of us need HRT and surgery. I don’t need it, I’m comfortable in the body I have and it doesn’t remind me society expects me to be a man, and many trans people don’t need to change their bodies for their comfort, but many do, and that’s why.
That’s also why we bring up being transgender so much, we need validation from other people and constant reminders that they see us as the people who we know ourselves to be, because again, society is not fulfilling our basic needs for validation. It’s the same reason insecure people constantly need attention and validation, they’ve been starved of it, but much, much worse. It’s not just about the fact that we won’t be silent about our oppression, although that is another reason, and it sure as hell isn’t because we “want to be special”, it’s because we have unmet psychological needs that make it difficult to find the energy to get out of bed each day and make some trans people contemplate suicide.
So, in summary, to be trans is to find an identity, based on the social constructs we’re stuck living with, that represents us better than the social constructs we were arbitrarily assigned before we could choose for ourselves. I am not a woman because I have some inherent womanliness to me, there is no such thing as inherent womanliness, but the social construct of womanhood suits me much better than the social construct of manhood and there is no better or more concrete way to define gender than what we personally feel comfortable with, for reasons I stated earlier, thus, I identify as a woman.
And that does NOT mean being trans is a choice, the fact that I was given an identity by society that doesn’t match how I’ve naturally developed to see myself is not my choice, and it’s not like I have other alternatives on how to deal with it. Don’t let TERFs and religious nuts with no understanding of psychology tell you otherwise, there IS ABSOLUTELY NO ALTERNATIVE WAY FOR A TRANS PERSON TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THEMSELVES OTHER THAN IDENTIFYING WITH THE GENDER IDENTITY THEY FEEL MOST AT HOME WITH AND OTHER PEOPLE VALIDATING THAT IDENTITY. NONE. NADA. ZIP. Anyone who tells you otherwise wants to eradicate trans people. I’m not exaggerating or lying, that is what people who argue otherwise want with absolutely no exceptions. Me identifying as a woman is not a choice, it is finding the only way I can be happy with myself and have the strength to get through the day, and accepting that. It’s not a choice if there are no other alternatives.
And on that note, when your trans friends need constant validation of their identities and need you to just not argue with them and roll with what makes them comfortable? DO THAT. I don’t care if it feels like you’re discussing the same subject a lot. Your mild inconvenience does not outweigh their need for basic emotional support through one of the most difficult situations it’s possible for a human being to be in. And I guarantee you willingly mildly inconvenience yourself for the sake of friends all the time in circumstances that aren’t about gender identity. Why is this different? Just accept that they’re being constantly starved of validation through no fault of their own and give them as much validation as you can. If you think that trans people talking about their identities is a burden to you, either you don’t fully understand what they’re going through, or you’re just a bad friend.
This may also explain some things you may be wondering about why some trans people don’t make an effort to act or dress in the way we traditionally think of when it comes to the gender they identity as, and what it means to be nonbinary, and how one can be a nonbinary lesbian when lesbianism generally means “women being into women” and nonbinary people don’t identify as women: it’s because these are not actually hard rules, just vague social constructs we’re finding a way to be comfortable in. I have a beard, and I still go by a “male-sounding” name, and I dress very masculinely, and still identify as a woman, because number one, there are cis woman who do all these things too, cis women can have facial hair, masculine sounding names, and butch styles of dress, and you never question it in the same way, and number two, my name, facial hair, and style of dress are not the things about the social construct of maleness that makes me uncomfortable so I’d rather just stop identifying as male but keep them. Likewise, a nonbinary person can’t identify with the social constructs of maleness or femaleness and thus identities as something else that they feel better about. And since gender is a social construct, lesbianism itself is too, and one that has developed over the years quite independently from womanhood with its own culture and it’s own expectations, so some people identify with the social construct of lesbianism, but not the social construct of womanhood, thus they’re nonbinary lesbians. It’s all about finding the way to identity and express yourself that matches who you feel you really are, and none of these terms have exact meanings, so they mean for you whatever helps you be comfortable with your own identity.
So with all that in mind, my closing note is this: things like this are very basic aspects of what it means to be trans, and if you can’t understand them, you cannot truly understand what we are and what it means to respect us. Please, read this, make sure you understand it, and then spread the word. People understanding this more broadly will do a world of good for all of us trans and nb people.
Although this isn’t my usual sort of reblog, a dear friend of mine is trans,and these are things that we have talked about many, many times. Although I don’t often reblog trans images, this is definitely a safe space for everyone, trans individuals especially.
seems like trans men are often more dualistic about their body vs. self than trans women are.
trans men (even ones who are not self-identified truscum) tend to look at being trans as a medical condition more often than trans women do? and in my experience trans men are more likely to say things like ‘i’m a man but i have a woman’s body’ or ‘yeah my ovaries were a birth defect’ and meanwhile trans women are more likely to say things like ‘i’m a woman, this is my body, so it’s a woman’s body even if i don’t do anything to it’ .
my guess is that it is a Thing, but it’s a Thing because being AFAB is Hell in a number of very !!FUN!! ways that being AMAB is not, and if you’re dealing with that kind of shit AND gender dysphoria at the same time? you’re gonna dissociate yourself from your Flesh Mecha a little more than if your body has always just been Your Body.
it’d be interesting to see if this is actually A Thing, if trans men and trans women really do tend to see their bodies-wrt-gender differently, and if it is A Thing how it maps onto how cis people see things. double interesting to see if/how it maps onto people who are dealing with chronic illness or other debilitating conditions.
(obligatory disclaimer, this is not a one-to-one statement, i have heard trans people of all genders say things on all ends of this spectrum and if your experience doesn’t map onto this that doesn’t mean you’re Not Really Trans)
Wouldn’t this theory predict that there would be more self-identified trans men than trans women, because having a Hell Body would make you more likely to notice dysphoria / body dysmorphia and actively want to do something about it?
Hey, I did say ‘unendorsed’. :p More seriously, I do think that there are at least as many AFAB people with dysphoria than AMAB people with dysphoria, and there are probably many more AFAB people who have dysphoria than you’d think. It’s just that dysphoria != identifying as transgender.
Dysphoria can mean ‘becoming a trans person’, obviously. But just as often, ‘having dysphoria’ means ‘living in extreme discomfort with one’s body, but not having any outlet to handle that discomfort’.
Sometimes dysphoria means ‘having extreme discomfort with one’s body, but not knowing that there’s something one could do to fix it’. Or ‘having extreme discomfort with one’s body, but not wanting to give up ‘being [female | male]’ as a part of one’s identity’. Or ‘having extreme discomfort with one’s body, but not wanting to suffer the kind of shit trans people go through on a daily basis’.
Or ‘having extreme discomfort with one’s body, but suspecting a full Gender-To-Other-Gender physical transition would give one the same discomfort for other reasons.’
Or ‘having extreme discomfort with one’s body, but knowing you can’t actually have the body you want with current medical technology and/or no one will give you the body you want, so grinning and bearing it with what you’ve got’.
Like… outside of Queer Spaces ™ ®, most people don’t even know trans men exist. Both cis allies and anti-trans folks tend to think of trans people as “binary femme trans women”; their immediate mental model is Caitlyn Jenner or Laverne Cox. Hell, I cannot tell you how many times I’ve said “I’m trans” to someone and had them immediately think, "oh, you’re a trans woman, right?”. Even though at this point I do not look female, like, at all. Even if they’re a nurse seeing me before I talk to a doctor about my hysterectomy. You have to actively remind most cis people that AFAB trans people exist, or they will completely forget.
So there are probably a lot of AFAB people out there who don’t know that you can, for example, get an FTM sex change*. Or that you can choose to say that you’re something different than a woman and people will treat you with respect. Or that you can choose to identify as something other than a man or woman. And some of these people would be very, very happy to transition in one way or another! But they can’t.
Other AFAB people would like to physically transition in a way that’s similar to FTM transition… buuuut they identify as ‘butch’ or ‘dyke’ or ‘he/him lesbian’; being a woman is an important part of their identity, and they can’t give it up. A lot of the time they make you live as Your Chosen Gender for a year or two before you can even talk about having surgery; living as a man for a year while still being a woman is not, I imagine, a pleasant experience. And there are not very many doctors who will help someone who isn’t “officially” transgender transition. Hell, there are plenty of nonbinary people who still have problems with doctors refusing to help them, because they’re not a binary trans person.
Similarly, there are a lot of AFAB people- regardless of their identity- who have dysphoria with some aspects of their bodies, but believe that the kind of physical transition they’d have to undergo to fix these problems would just give them more problems. For example: an AFAB person who just thinks of their gender as “LOUD SHRUGGING NOISE” might want to have a more muscular body, broad shoulders, and no breasts, but might also feel like having a deep voice, body hair, and a penis would give them dysphoria in the other direction.
“Having dysphoria” and “being transgender” are about as synonymous as “being attracted to women” and “being an out, proud lesbian”. A lot of dysphoric people are trans, but not all dysphoric people are; sometimes they’re ‘just’ something similar, and sometimes, for whatever reason, they can’t come out.
*apologies for the outdated language, but ‘gender confirmation surgery’ just sounds awkward in this context. y’know?
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Misogyny certainly has a hideous and profound effect on the world, but it’s not the sole root of all gendered evils
Also me:
penis privilege isn’t the root of everything wrong with the world
You: [this ask]
Anyway, I think we can all agree that a lot of hideous shit is perpetuated on people born with vaginas of all genders and that people born with penises are, in general, less prone to experiencing violence based on their genitals … until people born with penises start presenting as anything other than male. In other words: the only people experiencing penis privilege is cis males and being born with a penis is dangerous as fuck for anyone else.
In other, other words: it’s not just having a penis that creates privilege. (Not to mention all the other reasons humanity finds to dehumanize or declare one another of lesser value, like race or what region they come from or religion or on and on ad infinitum)
Even cis males who are not gender-conforming to whatever their current social standards for gender conformity are end up in a lot of danger. They may still have privilege, but it comes at a terrible price. There was a cis, het man, married to a woman, who was shot and murdered by a homophobe because he was holding his wife’s purse for her while she went to the restroom. (I can’t find the link; this was years ago and far too many men have been shot by cops for holding wallets since.) And gay men have historically faced enormous violence, moreso than lesbians, for being gay.
The other thing I’d like to point out is that men are the violence class, and I’m not actually sure we can argue that people born with penises are less prone to experiencing violence based on their genitals. Like, very, very few people set out to murder a man because he’s a man as opposed to an Adjective man, where Adjective is seen as the reason for the murder. But… 80% of all murder victims are men. 90% of all murderers are also men, but this isn’t much consolation for the dead guys. I feel like we’re missing something when we analyze sex-based violence. Violence done to women is usually done because they are women, and yet, far more fatal violence is done to men. Could the very fact that we don’t notice that they are men specifically, that women are the gender-marked class and men are thought of as default humans, be hiding the fact that being male marks you as an “appropriate” recipient for violence? Or the fact that all of our paradigms for understanding oppression center around inter-group oppression (X group oppresses Y group and there is very little overlap between X and Y) and not intra-group oppression, where the same group is oppressing other members of the group? Is it even oppression then or is it something else?
Mind you, I’m not saying men have it worse. When we’re not looking at violence, things like the fact that men think women talk too much when women are talking more than 30% of the time, that all the burden of elder care usually falls on women when there’s no biological reason why that should happen, that women are more likely to live in poverty, that women’s ability to control our own reproduction and our own sexuality is always under attack in a way that no het man has ever suffered… overall I’m pretty damn sure women have it worse. But when we are looking at violence toward people based on their gender… women are singled out for violence because of their gender, and yet the male gender experiences a lot more violence-related fatality. There’s something wrong with our models here that we’re missing that.
The Lady Health Worker Programme was introduced in Pakistan in 1993 in order to make primary healthcare accessible to women who are confined to their homes, and to effectively administer immunisation campaigns among children. Currently, 125,000 women are employed as part of the health programme.
“Almost 90 percent of the women working as Lady Health Workers have no control over their own salaries,” Mir Zulfikar Ali, of the Workers’ Research Organisation that conducted the research, told Al Jazeera.
Some old fella came up to me at work and asked a question only he didn’t quite figure out if he should call me “sir” or “ma’am” by the time he got to the end of his sentence and in a moment of apparent panic ended up saying “captain” instead. Absolutely made my day.
I coined the term “genderqueer” back in the 1990s in an effort to glue together two nouns that seemed to me described an excluded and overlooked middle: those of us who were not only queer but were so because we were the kind of gender trash society couldn’t digest.
A prominent gay columnist immediately attacked me in print for “ruining a perfectly good word like ‘queer.’” (Harrumph!)
Joan Nestle, Claire Howell, and I then used the word for the title of our anthology of emerging young writers. But I don’t think anyone expected the term or the concept to really catch on.
Then one year I was attending the Creating Change conference and using the (wonderfully gender-neutral) bathrooms, and saw someone had posted a sticker on the wall that read, “A Genderqueer Was Here!” I thought, Hmm … that’s really interesting. Someone is using that not as a descriptor, but as the basis for their identity. So it begins.
Fast-forward about 20 years and I was just reading Matt Bernstein’s anthology Nobody Passes, and in it writer Rocko Bulldagger bemoans the term’s very existence, declaring, “I am sick to death of hearing it “
Such is the arc of a new idea.
But if you opened your eyes at all, you could see all this coming a long way off.
At Camp Trans, outside the now-defunct Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival, I’d meet one young person after another simply known as “boychik,” “demigirl,” “transmasculine,” “tryke,” and any number of exuberant genders few of us had contemplated.
Camp Trans itself was always overrun by one set of teens and 20-somethings explaining patiently, if exasperatedly, to their lesbian mothers — who’d brought them in tow to experience the beauty of womanhood — that they needed to move beyond their transphobia and accept trans people as women and not men. And a totally different set of teens and 20-somethings were joyously destroying by example the categories of men, women, lesbian, and transgender.
We’ve spent almost 40 years fighting for a bunch of identity categories that are based entirely on the implicit acceptance that there are two and only two basic sexes, with the associated possible gender identities and sexual orientations that come from them.
And now young people are about to blow all that up.
I was reminded of this while watching Showtime’s hit TV show Billions, which introduced a new character, Taylor, whose gender I was having fun trying to puzzle out.
Taylor is an intense, brilliant intern, who wears a shirt, tie, and buzzed crew cut, but otherwise has no identifiable landmarks by which the viewer might navigate the gender terrain.
Finally, they are introduced to Bobby Axelrod, the head of multibillion-dollar hedge fund Axe Capital.
As played by Asia Kate Dillon, they reply: “Hello, sir, my name is Taylor. My pronouns are ‘they, theirs, and them.’”
Cutting-edge stuff. And a signpost for where the gender dialogue is going. Just like when student Maria Munir, 20, came out to a nonplussed President Obama as “nonbinary.”
In a recent article at Refinery29, Dillon explained that they didn’t just read for the part. As they read the part, “I did some research into non-binary, and I just thought, Oh my gosh, that’s me… When I read the script for episode two and I saw the ‘they, theirs and them,’ that’s when the tears started to well up in my eyes. Then when I read Axe’s response, which is, ‘Okay,’ and then the scene just continues, that’s what ultimately moved me to full-fledged tears.”
This is powerful stuff. And it’s only the start. The trans movement is going to have to accommodate and open the boundaries perhaps more than it would like.
But if it’s the job of young people to expose and explode their elders’ paradigm, these young people are off to a wonderful start.
“Hello. My name is Riki. My pronouns are ‘they, theirs, and them.’“
Riki Wilchins, “Get to Know the New Pronouns: They, Theirs, and Them
i thought you guys would find this thread i wrote interesting
this is a very real problem! and unfortunately, something similar happens to people of color and adults as well. always try and tie it down to something else when, in fact, the disorder has been clearly present the whole time. it’s so damaging.
newsflash: adhd is real and everyone can have it!
please boost this, whoa.
This is a bit of a tangent, but is this person saying that hyperactivity, “chatterboxing,” and emotional volatility are the same basic trait manifested in different ways? Has that been demonstrated? Is that true for men as well as women (but with men more likely to be hyperactive)?
I’m curious about the research behind this, in part because if true, it means I actually have combined type ADHD, not the inattentive type I was diagnosed with.
That would make a lot of sense. Though I’m not aware of any research.
I also need to add again that even if two people of different assigned genders are showing exactly the same behaviors? Those are likely to get interpreted very differently, viewed through the lens of cultural gender expectations.
It’s not always even variations in presentation leading to the different diagnosis rates with ADHD, autism, or other labels. Classically hyperactive girls do exist–and they’re too often seen as having other (andfrequentlyscarier) problems, as evidenced by just how badly their behavior matches certain gendered expectations.
It also might be a socialization thing? Like girls and boys having different behavior is usually socialization based but that doesn’t actually work as a clear cut line, most people technically are probably getting both just at a really skewed ratio. Like the girl/boy typing follows stereotypes enough some of it might be because it is a brain construction thing and by the time you are old enough for them to actually notice you have probably absorbed a bunch of stereotypes about what gender you are treated as.
And that is not even getting into the fact the symptoms being gendered means you might get mixed socialization for having mixed presentation of symptoms and then that makes more symptoms which makes more mixed socialization until you get some fucked up ouroboros of gender stereotyping.
i thought you guys would find this thread i wrote interesting
this is a very real problem! and unfortunately, something similar happens to people of color and adults as well. always try and tie it down to something else when, in fact, the disorder has been clearly present the whole time. it’s so damaging.
newsflash: adhd is real and everyone can have it!
please boost this, whoa.
This is a bit of a tangent, but is this person saying that hyperactivity, “chatterboxing,” and emotional volatility are the same basic trait manifested in different ways? Has that been demonstrated? Is that true for men as well as women (but with men more likely to be hyperactive)?
I’m curious about the research behind this, in part because if true, it means I actually have combined type ADHD, not the inattentive type I was diagnosed with.
That would make a lot of sense. Though I’m not aware of any research.
I also need to add again that even if two people of different assigned genders are showing exactly the same behaviors? Those are likely to get interpreted very differently, viewed through the lens of cultural gender expectations.
It’s not always even variations in presentation leading to the different diagnosis rates with ADHD, autism, or other labels. Classically hyperactive girls do exist–and they’re too often seen as having other (andfrequentlyscarier) problems, as evidenced by just how badly their behavior matches certain gendered expectations.
So I haven’t posted about this since college because I don’t think it’s ever happened to me since I got out of college, but a recent conversation reminded me that it’s still negatively affecting lots of other people, so:
Lots of people find it distressing to be asked their pronouns. They might be trans and not out, or trans and out to some of the people present but not all of them, or not sure if they’re trans, or entirely cis and just really hate being asked to think about the question. I personally freak out about ‘preferred pronouns’ because it makes me go “uh, I don’t really prefer ‘she/her’, I’d much rather be parsed as a genderless amorphous being, but I don’t prefer that strongly enough to go through the hassle of trying to get people to actually see me that way, especially since I’m not really sure it’d work, and people will get confused by ‘they/them’, and if I express a pronoun preference then I’ll be more upset about people getting it wrong than if I don’t, and aaaaaahhh I prefer not to be in a social context where I have to have this thought process it makes me sad!!!”
Other people find it affirming, and that’s legitimate too. There are definitely competing needs here. But I think, since there are competing needs, you at least need to allow for an exit strategy for the people who will be harmed by pressure to come up with an answer.
So: “nametags are here, also feel free to put pronouns on your nametag if you want” is great. “nametags are here, put your name and pronouns!” or “why aren’t there pronouns on your nametag?” are going to cause stress and potentially cause harm.
“Share any of ‘favorite animal, best concert you’ve been to recently, and preferred pronouns, but feel free to skip any of those if you’re coming up empty’” is a decent way to handle competing needs if you’re doing “go around in a circle and introduce yourself”. And if you’re doing introductions with pronouns and someone doesn’t volunteer a pronoun, don’t remind them; the risk they skipped it on purpose and you’re putting them on the spot is not worth the benefits of getting an answer if they just forgot.
Gender sucks. When we’re trying to make it better for people, we need to keep making sure there are doors open to flee screaming ‘aaaah fuck gender’.
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