I looked it up just to be sure and this shit is Fr y’all
The Tasmanian people had a dialect and way of life that was different from other Aborigines. The British killed the men and women of the tribes and took away their food supply when they first arrived. Later they tried to “civilize” the Tasmanians and subject them to foreign diseases to kill off the last of them. The last full-blood Tasmanian woman was said to have lived until the year1888.
Wow!
at this point, what isnt racist in this country??!!
WHAT THE FUCK
Wow 😳😥
As a History Concentration with a rather unsettling love for Looney Tunes and other classic cartoons, I never thought that I’d see the day where my two completely unrelated passions merged up so wonderfully.
And yet, here we are.
So let’s talk about Tasmania, shall we?
Actually, pretty much everything that the OP said about Tasmania is correct.
By the way, her name was Truganini (Nickname:
Lallah Rookh.) If you’re going to use her legacy to try to criticize an old cartoon character you should at least give her the common courtesy of a name.
Now then, let’s talk about Looney Tunes.
Or more specifically, let us talk about the Tasmanian Devil.
Taz for short.
Great character.
Fun, energetic, hungry, and not a racist portrayal in any way, shape, or form.
The statement that Taz is a racist portrayal of the Tasmanian people is completely and one hundred percent wrong.
Now I know what you’re thinking…
“Alright marauders4evr, what is the Tasmanian Devil based off of?”
Well, Im glad that you asked.
Gather ‘round and listen closely now because this is going to be one of the greatest revelations that you will ever hear in your mortal lives.
The Tasmanian Devil…
…is based off of the Tasmanian Devil!
Yeah!
It’s a real animal!
An energetic animal who eats everything in its sight.
And Robert McKimson based a character off of it.
Speaking of one of the great men behind Looney Tunes…
Let’s talk about Mel Blanc!
I love him!
I wish that I could have met him!
He’s one of my late heroes.
Phenomenal voice actor.
The best that has ever existed.
The Man of 1000 Voices he’s called.
(And that’s an underestimate!)
The point is that he took a lot of pride in his work.
So what did he base Taz’s dialect off of?
I can tell you right now that it wasn’t the Tasmanian people.
Mel Blanc based the sound of the Tasmanian Devil…
…off of the Tasmanian Devil!
Here’s a clip of Taz’s dialect:
And here’s a clip of the Tasmanian Devil’s scream:
(Chilling, ain’t it?)
(On a side note, I just love to imagine Mel in the recording booth, screaming and growling before calmly doing Bugs’ voice!)
In conclusion…
What happened to the Tasmanian people truly is saddening and I wish that it hadn’t happened.
THE TASMANIAN DEVIL (TAZ) IS NOT A RACIST PORTRAYAL IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM
THE TASMANIAN DEVIL IS A REAL ANIMAL!
MEL BLANC WAS AWESOME AND DESERVES YOUR UTMOST RESPECT!
it’s like if bush denied 9/11 happened, except more people dies from Hurricane Maria than 9/11.
my wake up call was family separation. I have no doubt that everyone who supported it would be at least ok with genocide, with some willing to volunteer to run the gas chambers/whatever it is this time.
america has a serous racism problem. we need to talk about that loud and clear. it’s not normal for 35% the country to want to get rid of all the non-white people.
A stranger who doesn’t speak English (or more likely speaks some limited English) knocks on the door to the apartment complex you own and asks if they can stay there since dangerous people have taken over their building and you have plenty of space in yours.
They take low wages doing odd jobs around your house that you always hated doing anyway, but they have trouble doing things like visiting doctors, feeding and educating their children, and putting away any money for their future. They ask you, since you control the house and and have vast resources available to you, if you would be able to spare anything to help them survive while they look at their options and try to get their bearings.
You call the police to have them evicted because they’re inconveniencing you. The police come, rip their children from them, and incarcerate them separately. You turn on the TV and yell at black football players.
EVERYONE CAN GO HOME NOW THIS IS THE BEST POST ON THIS WEBSITE
It drives me up a wall when someone claims the Democratic party was the party of slavery and the KKK and has it pointed it out to them that the parties switched iedologies, because 10/10 times it becomes “oh well there were racist Democrats in the 80’s” or some shit.
So, yeah, in truth the parties didn’t instantly flip in 1964. The reality is that there was a long transition that started around 1890 when the Progressives separated from the Republican party and culminated in the election of Reagan in 1980, but even pointing that out and laying out historical fact isn’t enough for people with no will to learn anything.
You could point out the shift in rhetoric (how did “state’s rights” become a talking point for the “party of Lincoln” anyway?), or their defence of the Confederacy, or the attempts to destroy voting rights and civil rights protections.
Like, yeah, Andrew Jackson was a fucking monsterous, mass-murdering proto-fascist and a Democrat, but it should raise a red flag that times are different for you when a Republican President hangs up a portrait of him and calls him his inspiration.
This is the modern Republican Party.
A loud-mouth vulgarian known for sexually assualting women and demonizing minorities and a Senator who holds up the eugenicist Johnson-Reed Act as standard for immigration policy, shaking hands under a portrait of a man that inpired Hitler.
I genuinely do not understand this unrelenting insistence that we compare every horrendous thing the United States does to the Holocaust, when there are much better comparisons to be made to…well, the United fucking States.
The United States has a long, sordid history of separating families: The Transatlantic Slave Trade and the families impacted by slavery for generations after being stolen from their homes and sold to the highest bidder, for one. The Bureau of Indian Affairs boarding schools, where Native children were ripped from their families in order to have their language, culture, and beliefs stamped out of them through forced assimilation and conversion to Christianity, for another.
The United States has an awful history of putting people in detention centres: Japanese and Native Alaskan internment camps during WWII, Fort Cass, Fort Snell, and other Native American internment camps that Indigenous Peoples were forced into throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, not even to mention Guantanamo Bay, and the camps so-called dissidents in the places like the Philippines, Vietnam, and other nations Americans had occupied were put into.
The United States has always been horrible to its immigrants, specifically non-white and/or non-Christian refugees. My own grandfather, an immigrant form India, couldn’t become a citizen of the United States despite being a college lecturer and the spouse of a US citizen due to Asian Exclusion, and had to continuously enrol in university courses he never actually took despite the fact that he was teaching them, just to stay in the country on a student visa. The one truly valid comparison to the Holocaust era you could make would be to the United States turning away Jewish refugees from Nazi-occupied Europe aboard the St Louis and sending them back to their deaths because that same law used to keep my grandfather from becoming a citizen had been put in place specifically to keep more Jews and Asians from coming into the country.
Like, the United States is not “becoming Nazi Germany” all of a sudden. This is not some aberrant “UnAmerican” behaviour. This is the United States being the United States, doing what the U.S. has always done from the moment of its inception.
Also, as one of my FB friends said on this topic recently: “Nazi Germany was not famous for cruelty toward asylum seekers, it was famous for making millions of asylum seekers and then murdering millions including many from my family.”
There is no good reason to constantly trot out bad Holocaust comparisons when we know damn well this is the same inhumane bullshit America was fucking built on. Hitler, Nazis, and The Holocaust are not just shorthand for “the government being really bad.” It was a specific atrocity that devastated the Jewish and Romani communities of this world, and you don’t need to constantly devalue it and re-traumatise Jews and Roma over and over again when you can just as easily condemn the heinous way asylum seekers at the US border are being treated by saying the United States is still in the business of systematic oppression and has not learnt anything from its own appalling history.
So we have to wait a few years instead of preventing this? I’m so tired of the nitpickery.
My aunt came here seeking asylum from Guatemala in 1994. All she really has been able to get is a visa and she has always renewed/extended it. She has children who were born here, but this is what her lawyers have told her to do. In 2017 it was up for renewal and due to one DUI from late 2012/early 2013, which was barely above legal limit (and had it been someone without an accent that had been pulled over, there may have just been a warning). Since 1994 this woman has only had ONE bad mark on her record: that DUI. Her visa was not renewed. She is required to leave the country in 2021. She will not likely go back ti Guatemala. We are currently trying to figure out which country may provide better for her. Because Guatemala is too dangerous. People are still fleeing to this day.
Gues what? PEOPLE ARE FLEEING THE UNITED STATES TOO. Just last year, thousands of people fled America seeking asylum in Canada. I haven’t gotten around to the numbers other countries have seen, but those are American citizens, and scared Immigrants. And yes this has been going on for ages, but not in this quantity and not with the increases seen in the past few years.
Many Latinos are terrified and setting up plans to leave this country even though we are US citizens. Many of us born here.
No, there isn’t really a moment in US history where we are not treating people like shit and separating families, but how much do the common people empathize with those situations? They don’t, because it’s never as deeply talked about. Where in US history were those same people leaving for other countries seeking asylum? If that’s your qualifier: we got it. Murder? Done. Let’s add mass child-trafficking. Is this bad enough for you yet? Are we now being beat up on enough to join your hyper-exclusive club? Or will you not be happy unless we have stood by and let millions of our people be murdered?
You may want to re-read the post there since you seem to be having some trouble understanding the main point.
It is not a matter of ‘better’ or ‘worse’. It is partially a problem of people not making the connection to the atrocities the United States have committed time and time again. Comparing it to a German single incident as opposed to one of the many many US examples is mostly sensationalizing.
The other portion is that people ignore the reality of what did happen to both the Holocaust and what is happening today. It becomes a “hyper exclusive club” of who is treated “badly enough” rather than a specific tragedy that happened to specific peoples. And that is not fair either.
I won’t speak for everyone, but I’ve been making the connections to many, many, many of the atrocities the US has previously committed. But people didn’t listen to me then. The difference is now it is so similar to the preceding events, so horrifyingly similar to pre-Nazi Germany, and this rhetoric is what that finally got white culture to share our plight like a fucking meme. Because it is a history they are very familiar with. Am I happy about it? No. I’m relieved people are finally watching en masse. Do I wish more people knew about US history? Yes. Do I hate having to argue with people daily about what actually happened? Yes. Fix the educational system. In fact, thank you for not stopping at “THEY’RE NOT THE SAME!?!” and going on with “The US actually did way closer”. YES. THEY DID.
THEY DO.
THEY SHOULD NOT.
But not everyone is like that. Now I have to watch hundreds of people getting butthurt that this is the comparison that finally stuck when we shouldn’t be treating this as the main issue. We need to prevent it from getting that bad again. By trying to fight people who are scared instead of acting to prevent it as we are begging you is telling me that you care more about semantics than this potentially happening again. Whether we are comparing it to previous US or non-US historical events.
You aren’t wrong.
But you’re going about it wrong.
First of all, the comparisons are not what got people to finally care. They are just a byproduct of their outrage from caring. People are outraged at what’s happening and they are using the Holocaust as a way to express their outrage. Not the other way around.
Secondly, the imagery of dead Jewish and Romani people is not “semantics.” This is exactly our complaint. The fact that you can boil it down to that is exactly the problem.
WE CAN BE OUTRAGED ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING AND FIGHT BACK WITHOUT USING DEAD JEWS AND ROMA AS PROPS AND WITHOUT TRAUMATISING OUR COMMUNITIES WITH CONSTANT HITLER IMAGERY
We’re not “going about it wrong,” we’re asking people to respect our dead and recognise that the Holocaust isn’t shorthand for fascism or atrocities. It’s a specific event that traumatised our communities and people need to treat it as such. The fact that it’s everybody’s generic go-to for every situation around the world and that non-Jewish, non-Romani people feel like they have ownership of it when they don’t is a problem, and it has nothing to do with invalidating the horrific things currently being done by ICE.
If you can’t understand why using our dead as props and acting like “the Holocaust” is interchangeable with the “fascism” then I don’t know what to tell you.
Nobody is downplaying what’s happening. We just want our dead and our trauma respected.
And uhhhh literally hitler was greatly inspired by the genocide committed against natives and was very approving of the Long Walk to the Bosque Redondo concentration camp in particular. We don’t need to look to Germany for comparisons. What the American government is doing now is what they’ve been doing to indigenous children and families since their boats first bumped our shores. They did the same thing to my grandpa, they continue to do it to children on reservations. And they’ve drawn invisible borders across the land to separate native families and then use that to further the genocide.
I think it’s lazy to say “people don’t care unless we compare it to the holocaust so let’s keep comparing it to the holocaust even though jewish people are being hurt by it”
When someone says that this isn’t american or a new low point in America, correct them. Don’t let them export the blame to Germany so they don’t have to confront their complicity in the ongoing genocide of indigenous people across all of turtle island.
“Are you saying that murderers are right in the head??”
No there’s definitely something wrong with someone’s way of thinking if they can justify killing innocent people, but this doesn’t necessarily mean that they have a mental illness.
Extremist beliefs isn’t a mental illness.
Bigotry isn’t a mental illness.
Entitlement isn’t a mental illness.
Hate isn’t a mental illness.
Having a dysfunctional moral compass isn’t a mental illness.
We need to stop categorizing all these things as some undefinable “mental illness” and start looking at what we do as a society to develop and justify these things to a degree where people use them to justify killing.
Yes!
Dehumanization is something you Have to look for. If the murderer doesn’t see the person they killed as a person, then mental illness is probably not the main factor there.
Plenty of people murder women, poc, lgbt people, people of other religions etc. because they don’t see them as people.
Think about genocides – they aren’t perpetrated by big group of people/a government who all got mentally ill together the same way at the same time somehow, they just didn’t consider what they did murder because they didn’t see the victims as people.
I’m probably going to wind up reblogging this more than once because it is really fucking important.
I think Martin Luther should have to be known as the “Martin Luther, author of the treatise ‘The Jews and Their Lies.’”
Example: “It’s been 500 years since Martin Luther, author of the treatise ‘The Jews and Their Lies,’ started the Protestant reformation.”
Tired of pretending he wasn’t a raging anti-semite who advocated for the oppression and murder of my people.
ETA: Before anybody makes a colossal mistake, please do note that Martin Luther and Martin Luther King are not even remotely the same people.
He is currently being celebrated all over Germany like a hero. Here and there his admirers mention his antisemitism but still put him on a pedestal like he’s a saviour or something. It’s terrifying. And apart from playing down his antisemitism nobody even mentions his horrible misogyny.
Look, I’ll be the first to admit I’m not an expert on Martin Luther and if you guys say he was antisemitic and stuff, well you’re probably right (the misogyny thing – like okay yeah it’s awful, but also he lived in the 1500′s, bloody every one was misogynistic he was hardly unique in that) But keep in mind what he did do yeah? You can’t paint him only in black. He took on the Catholic Church and won. That’s huge, especially for his time, when they had a habit of killing people who disagreed with them. The Church was scamming people out of their money, getting them to buy ‘Indulgences’ and telling them this would save them and get them to Heaven. And ‘saviour’ is probably taking it a bit far, but you’ve also gotta understand how big the Church was back then, and how important it was in people’s lives. He translated the Bible so people could actually understand it, and then it got distributed (thanks to the timely invention of the printing press) so people could actually have access to it. So now people could read and understand for themselves, and not just blindly believe what the Church was telling them. Imagine if someone came up with a way we could all tell the difference between truth in a media story and bullshit – how big an effect would that have? That’s the kind of impact we’re talking about. So yeah, we should absolutely be aware of people’s shortcomings and not paint them just as heroes if they were also assholes. But, no one is perfect. And being an asshole doesn’t stop you from doing good things in the world – things that we should equally keep in mind.
“In the treatise, Luther writes that the Jews are a ‘base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth.’ Luther wrote that they are ‘full of the devil’s feces … which they wallow in like swine,’ and the synagogue is an ‘incorrigible whore and an evil slut …’ He argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness, afforded no legal protection, and these ‘poisonous envenomed worms’ should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time. He also seems to advocate their murder, writing ’[w]e are at fault in not slaying them.
The prevailing scholarly view since the Second World War is that the treatise exercised a major and persistent influence on Germany’s attitude toward its Jewish citizens in the centuries between the Reformation and the Holocaust. Four hundred years after it was written, the National Socialists displayed On the Jews and Their Lies during Nuremberg rallies, and the city of Nuremberg presented a first edition to Julius Streicher, editor of the Nazi newspaper Der Stürmer, the newspaper describing it as the most radically antisemitic tract ever published.” (x)
But right, sure, “no one is perfect.”
“I mean he wanted to kill all Jews and erase any trace of their existence from society, but nobody’s perfect.” – @wyntersoldat
Maybe you should have just stopped at “Look, I’ll be the first to admit I’m not an expert on Martin Luther”? Maybe instead, you should have read actual criticism of Martin Luther’s antisemitism by actual Lutherans instead of arguing with Jews about institutionalized antisemitism that still affects us.
I think this point about Lutherans as a body being introspective about ML’s anti-Semitism is really important. Like, it’s absolutely possible to appreciate or participate in something, and still recognise how its founder or creator was a bad and/or flawed person, which is really all I’m asking for, here.
The point is simply to acknowledge these things and keep them out in the open, not to erase the person from history. I don’t know why that’s hard for people to grasp.
sure, when my grandfather fought nazis and fascism he was “a hero” and “on the right side of history” but when i do it im “way too sensitive” and “no better than they are”
That’s because when our white grandparents fought Nazis, it was for fear of them taking power away from other white people.
White Europeans and Americans were explicitly fine with genocide and the ideologies that led to it – a great many people, including Churchill, vocally supported most of what the Nazis were doing. Their only fight with Nazis was to maintain sovereignty from takeover.
Today’s Nazi-fighters usually have a problem with white supremacy and the antisemitism and racism etc behind it – which most of our white grandparents didn’t see a problem with and neither do many white people today.
This is why so many people don’t see any reason to stop the Nazis now, or why many others think it’s purely a struggle for Democrats or other neoliberal parties in other countries who might lose political power if they gain traction. Many people don’t see Nazis as a real problem unless they threaten the political power of other white people.
White supremacist organizations and movements have been a life-threatening scourge for people of colour and Jewish people this entire time. It’s really important that we focus on that as the real threat, or we risk having the same myopic perspective as generations past.
This was a great addition to my original post so I’m reblogging it.
(The latest mobile update has the editor screwed up to the point that I can’t figure out how to format this decently right now.)
Important to consider here: The American eugenics movement after World War II (part 1 of 3)
“As readers will learn throughout the series, people from all walks of life supported the eugenics movement. It was common public policy at the time, and its tacit or overt acceptance reflected the social mores of that era, as morally reprehensible as that seems now.”
As long as this stuff had a low likelihood of directly impacting them? “Respectable” White Americans were overwhelmingly fine with Those Others getting hurt and wiped out. And a lot of this thinking lingers on, with its socially acceptable public face changing over time.
Belief in the concept of “white genocide” requires the following concepts to be held as simultaneously true:
– race is a coherent biological category
– there is a biological “white” race
– there is an obvious consensus on what constitutes a member of the “white” race
– the “white” race is biologically superior to all other races
– the existence of the “white” race is constantly under threat
– despite the inherent superiority of the “white” race, “inferior” races are capable of easily exterminating it through breeding
– this somehow reinforces the fact that the “white” race is genetically superior, rather than disproving it
Reactionary thought is a mass of incoherence and contradiction
If you need to be reminded how absurd the idea of pretending that a social construct like “the white race” is an objective reality, ask a white supremacist how they define who’s white and who’s not.
Actually, don’t ask them – we wanted to spare you that anguish so we’ve worked out how that conversation would go for you right here and here and here and here.
also, it requires the belief that a “genocide” is when people die of largely natural causes.
Seeing a bunch of white people chant “you’re not replacing us” when they’ve benefitted culturally for generations from Indigenous genocide is chilling. These people are disgusting, they have violence in their hearts, they do not get to have a right to be heard or their viewpoints entertained.
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