ill be real im getting kinda really annoyed with people who are complaining about pillowfort features. pillowfort was not made to handle this much traffic right now. the mods are open about what the site can handle and that it is very heavily in early beta. people who seem confused about the fact that it isn’t Tumblr 2.0 right now are missing the point that it is UNDER DEVELOPMENT and it was nowhere near ready to accommodate tumblr’s policy announcements and the wave of panic and safe-guarding tactics.
take a deep breath, give em a donation and grab a link, and support PF so it can reach its fullest potential rather than ragging on features because it can’t immediately do what you want it to do.
Also, when it’s working, it seems really cool? I’ve been essentially using it just like tumblr but w/ the added bonus of being able to protect my personal posts etc. I’m excited to figure out how to use the groups and other features, too.
Don’t spiral into despair and rage-quit because a platform that is in still beta is acting like a platform that is still in beta.
Also, while there’s been some concern over how it’s a .io and .io domains aren’t supposed to have adult content, they are aware of that and are planning on changing domains.
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If you’ve already set up an account there, or feel you don’t have a choice,
Expect anything you do on Pillowfort.io to be publicly-visible and temporary.
- Don’t give Pillowfort.io your primary email address. They’ve already leaked all their users’ email addresses coupled with their usernames, potentially outing users’ private blogs to employers, stalkers, etc. If you signed up with your primary email address, you need to change it.
- Don’t use a password that you use anywhere else on Pillowfort.io. (especially not along WITH your primary email address)
- Don’t post ANY information you want to be kept private on Pillowfort.io.
- Don’t
rely on being able to log in to Pillowfort.io when you need to contact
someone.- Don’t rely on other people being able to log in to Pillowfort.io when they need to contact you.
- If you post things you want to keep on Pillowfort.io, crosspost them elsewhere and/or make backups.
The Pillowfort.io devs are either very inexperienced or very careless. If it doesn’t shut down, there will be more security breaches, and likely also accidental data loss. If you choose to use Pillowfort.io, trust it less than you trust Tumblr.
this post may not be wrong, persay, you should obviously be careful using a site that’s in beta and it may go down sometimes and it’s already had security issues, but like…calling the devs ‘inexperienced’ or ‘careless’ is a super unfair characterization. web development is fucking hard, and i don’t mean that in a ‘aww throw the poor people a bone, they’re just starting’ sort of way. i mean that sites that have large and dedicated teams funded by huge corporations routinely run into the same exact issues. shit goes wrong. it’s not gonna be perfect. but that goes for any website you ever log into.
As someone who works in the web hosting industry, I agree with the second poster.
Getting a site like pillowfort up and running is crazy hard, and when you are dealing with pressure to take on Tumblr refugees, and worse, financial pressure to get the site to a point where it can start paying it’s own bills… yeah.
Other than that, it *is* still in beta, and we aren’t talking “gmail being in beta for years”, this is actual beta. So yeah, don’t count on perfect uptime or data retention. They will do the best they can, but it is beta for a reason (and honestly, you shouldn’t rely on any one site totally, you should have backups and shit even if you are hosted on AWS or something – if it is worth it depends on just how valuable it is too you)
If you’ve already set up an account there, or feel you don’t have a choice,
Expect anything you do on Pillowfort.io to be publicly-visible and temporary.
- Don’t give Pillowfort.io your primary email address. They’ve already leaked all their users’ email addresses coupled with their usernames, potentially outing users’ private blogs to employers, stalkers, etc. If you signed up with your primary email address, you need to change it.
- Don’t use a password that you use anywhere else on Pillowfort.io. (especially not along WITH your primary email address)
- Don’t post ANY information you want to be kept private on Pillowfort.io.
- Don’t
rely on being able to log in to Pillowfort.io when you need to contact
someone.- Don’t rely on other people being able to log in to Pillowfort.io when they need to contact you.
- If you post things you want to keep on Pillowfort.io, crosspost them elsewhere and/or make backups.
The Pillowfort.io devs are either very inexperienced or very careless. If it doesn’t shut down, there will be more security breaches, and likely also accidental data loss. If you choose to use Pillowfort.io, trust it less than you trust Tumblr.
this post may not be wrong, persay, you should obviously be careful using a site that’s in beta and it may go down sometimes and it’s already had security issues, but like…calling the devs ‘inexperienced’ or ‘careless’ is a super unfair characterization. web development is fucking hard, and i don’t mean that in a ‘aww throw the poor people a bone, they’re just starting’ sort of way. i mean that sites that have large and dedicated teams funded by huge corporations routinely run into the same exact issues. shit goes wrong. it’s not gonna be perfect. but that goes for any website you ever log into.
Could you elaborate on the rationale for having reblogs deleted along with the original post? If I write out a lengthy, thoughtful response to something, and then the original poster gets embarrassed or whatever…well, it kind of sucks that they can just wipe out my response, doesn’t it?
We believe it is of utmost importance for users to have control of their content and how it is accessed. Tumblr’s structure encourages users to think of other people’s content that they reblog as partially their own, but we think that that mentality leads to a lot of the harassment and plain rudeness that has grown on Tumblr over the years. The fact that a post can be reblogged by others, ridiculed, and passed around endlessly after the original user has already decided they don’t want that content to exist and represent them anymore has always struck us as a massive design flaw. On Pillowfort a user’s post is always their post first and foremost, and all reblogs and comments to that post are still under the control of the original user. So yes, while it may be unfortunate to have a post you like disappear from your blog or lose a comment you left, we think it is still more important for a user to be able to delete their own content when they choose.
I can’t think of any benefits to non-destructible reblogs that is worth having a
user’s control over access to their own content taken away.It’s worth noting that users can also delete any individual comments left on their post, because we want to encourage the notion that when you comment on someone’s post you are in THEIR space. It’s a bit of a shift from the way that Tumblr and Twitter have forced users to deal with anyone and everyone putting their own thoughts on your content, but we don’t think users should have to deal with the responses of people who may only be trying to spread harassment or otherwise exploit users’ lack of control over responses to act in bad faith, as we have all seen happen quite often.
I just want to make sure people thinking about migrating to pillowfort see this one, because this is an incredible example of a policy that was clearly not thought through by people who have ever tried to keep abusers from doing their thing.
This is a great policy, if your primary goal is to ensure that abusers cannot be challenged or disputed, ever. It is a great policy if you want to actively punish people for putting in any effort at all in conversations.
Yes, we think of things that we write in response to other people as “partially our own”, because we wrote some of the content in the post. When people put effort into responding to me, that effort is theirs. If I make a silly shitpost and someone responds with a 2,000 word essay, their post was more effort than mine.
Fuck’s sake. Look at the writing prompts blog. Think about how this plays out in Pillowfort’s world: You post writing prompts which are a sentence long, other people write multi-page responses, and you get to delete any of those responses any time you want leaving them with no record of the work or effort they put in, no way to retrieve the data, nothing.
Conclusion: If you go there, do not attempt to interact with other people. If you want to comment on something someone said, do it by starting a brand new post with no trace of direct connection to theirs, so it will probably be safe.
But really, just… Don’t. This is not sane.
“We designed a reblog system that discourages people from ever substantively using the reblog system.”
The maddening part is that I get it. That first paragraph does lay out real ways in which Tumblr is uniquely good at making sure that the dumbest thing you ever said on a social blogging platform becomes an unbanishable ghost that haunts your notifications forever. Clearly that’s not ideal.
But this doesn’t seem like a solution to me.
Why not, say, keep the content but divorce it from the original poster? Any deleted comments show up in reblogs with no attribution, or just a grey “deleted” icon, while disappearing from the OP’s blog.
That’s one thing that Twitter gets closer to right, from what I’ve seen. It even seems much better to just show that any particular post no longer exists, through the reblog chain, rather than making it possible to also delete what other users have written.
Pillowfort is not a clone of tumblr, and does not have a reblog like tumblr.
Pillowfort reblogs are shares that point to the original post. You can’t add commentary to them.
Comments all take place in replies to the post, like livejournal on the OP’s blog. You’re not pulling them into your own space. Anyone who wants to read the full comment chain is going to the OP’s blog. Replying happens in OP’s blog. Again think of livejournal.
Abusers creating echo chambers or loosing your replies on the internet isn’t a uniquely pillowfort thing. This happens everywhere on the internet, and it existed before social media as we know it was a thing. Acting like it’s the fault of a one site’s policy is silly.
Thanks for the clarification, as someone who hasn’t yet used the site.
I understood that the basic setup was more like LJ/DW, but wasn’t sure how the reblogging function was implemented. If all responses are going directly onto the OP’s blog, that’s a bit different.
Could you elaborate on the rationale for having reblogs deleted along with the original post? If I write out a lengthy, thoughtful response to something, and then the original poster gets embarrassed or whatever…well, it kind of sucks that they can just wipe out my response, doesn’t it?
We believe it is of utmost importance for users to have control of their content and how it is accessed. Tumblr’s structure encourages users to think of other people’s content that they reblog as partially their own, but we think that that mentality leads to a lot of the harassment and plain rudeness that has grown on Tumblr over the years. The fact that a post can be reblogged by others, ridiculed, and passed around endlessly after the original user has already decided they don’t want that content to exist and represent them anymore has always struck us as a massive design flaw. On Pillowfort a user’s post is always their post first and foremost, and all reblogs and comments to that post are still under the control of the original user. So yes, while it may be unfortunate to have a post you like disappear from your blog or lose a comment you left, we think it is still more important for a user to be able to delete their own content when they choose.
I can’t think of any benefits to non-destructible reblogs that is worth having a
user’s control over access to their own content taken away.It’s worth noting that users can also delete any individual comments left on their post, because we want to encourage the notion that when you comment on someone’s post you are in THEIR space. It’s a bit of a shift from the way that Tumblr and Twitter have forced users to deal with anyone and everyone putting their own thoughts on your content, but we don’t think users should have to deal with the responses of people who may only be trying to spread harassment or otherwise exploit users’ lack of control over responses to act in bad faith, as we have all seen happen quite often.
I just want to make sure people thinking about migrating to pillowfort see this one, because this is an incredible example of a policy that was clearly not thought through by people who have ever tried to keep abusers from doing their thing.
This is a great policy, if your primary goal is to ensure that abusers cannot be challenged or disputed, ever. It is a great policy if you want to actively punish people for putting in any effort at all in conversations.
Yes, we think of things that we write in response to other people as “partially our own”, because we wrote some of the content in the post. When people put effort into responding to me, that effort is theirs. If I make a silly shitpost and someone responds with a 2,000 word essay, their post was more effort than mine.
Fuck’s sake. Look at the writing prompts blog. Think about how this plays out in Pillowfort’s world: You post writing prompts which are a sentence long, other people write multi-page responses, and you get to delete any of those responses any time you want leaving them with no record of the work or effort they put in, no way to retrieve the data, nothing.
Conclusion: If you go there, do not attempt to interact with other people. If you want to comment on something someone said, do it by starting a brand new post with no trace of direct connection to theirs, so it will probably be safe.
But really, just… Don’t. This is not sane.
“We designed a reblog system that discourages people from ever substantively using the reblog system.”
The maddening part is that I get it. That first paragraph does lay out real ways in which Tumblr is uniquely good at making sure that the dumbest thing you ever said on a social blogging platform becomes an unbanishable ghost that haunts your notifications forever. Clearly that’s not ideal.
But this doesn’t seem like a solution to me.
Why not, say, keep the content but divorce it from the original poster? Any deleted comments show up in reblogs with no attribution, or just a grey “deleted” icon, while disappearing from the OP’s blog.
That’s one thing that Twitter gets closer to right, from what I’ve seen. It even seems much better to just show that any particular post no longer exists, through the reblog chain, rather than making it possible to also delete what other users have written.
At the risk of hindering coordination efforts, Pillowfort sounds inadequate to me.
“All reblogs of a post will also be deleted when the original post is deleted by the user”
“While the specifics of what constitutes a bannable offense are complex and covered in our ToS, we can generally say that threatening another user, encouraging suicide, etc. will be grounds for account termination, as will promoting the ideologies of violent hate groups such as Nazism.”
– https://web.archive.org/web/20180420221628/http://pillowfort-io.tumblr.com/faq
“We will also try to come up with a way to lower the barrier to entry for new users, though we don’t want to drop the entry fee entirely because a) we feel that would be unfair to our users who have paid for their registration keys and b) we don’t think our servers could handle a massive influx of new users right now, so we’re going to try to allow as many new users as we can without capsizing the boat.”
Hmm, deletes cascading to reblogs does have a bunch of advantages – less possibility of a post getting out of hand and potentially leading to harassment years down the line, better control over your own content. People who want to add a lot or debate will just need to link to the post in question/quote passages. Or am I missing something?
The suicide thing seems iffy, but I’m willing to wait and see how it’s actually handled. Banning Nazis is good.
Also a sign-up fee is annoying but hopefully will keep the pornbots at bay.
My issue with the sign-up fee isn’t that I have to pay it, it’s that it will limit the site’s user base to only those that are willing and able to pay.
Also, while most social media sites will have enough information to track down their users in theory, in practice the paper trail from a sign-up fee is significantly more direct.
((Also leaves pillowfort as susceptible to outside pressure : it’s not like PayPal has hesitated to cut off people where even a small amount of the money involved adult content.))
Chained deletes have good motivations, but I’ve not been especially impressed by their implementation on other sites. The entry fee might keep pillowfort’s userbase better than Twitter’s, but Twitter pretty rapidly adapted such that there is a norm to screencap if there’s any reason to expect a tweet will be deleted.
looks kind of terrible
the old mantra about how tumblr is both uniquely terrible and yet, somehow, still the hands down best social media platform out there continues to hold true even in our time of need
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