God apparently a group of anti trans activists are leading london pride because of a hijack and the people shouting at them and telling them to fuck off are the ones almost being arrested and told to move on by the police. Fuck cops. They don’t belong at pride and they don’t make the people who do feel safe.
Since I haven’t seen any posts about this apart from a handful of British people I follow on Twitter, a group of TERFs were allowed to lead London pride today. Here is a link to the PinkNews article detailing the events. They somehow managed to get to the front of the parade, ahead of the London mayor Sadiq Khan and lead for around 5 to 10 minutes, before stopping and lying down in the road refusing to move and disrupting the parade as the directors tried to negotiate again. They were then allowed to lead the parade without security or the parade directors stopping them. When trans people in the crowd protested their presence they were approached by the police marching with the group and told to stop or they would be asked to leave.
This is not pride, this is not a place where people can feel safe and this is not a place cops should be allowed to threaten trans people to defend transphobia.
OH LOOK- police presence at pride proves itself a 100% bad thing, and TERFs continue to be fucking attention-seeking, hateful children without the good grace to mind their own fucking business. The city should be ashamed.
This is their new thing. $5,000 says that they’re also circulating lies about being attacked by trans people there or something, because that’s the shit they pulled at SF Dyke March last month.
There, about 12 of them, with signs, were aggressively yelling things like “trans go home” at the marchers.
Some of the marchers evidently tried to rip the signs out of their hands, chanting “hey hey, ho ho, transphobia’s got to go.” The TERFs responded by shoving them away.
One of the TERFs (Vanessa) tripped and fell. Another (Mitzi) then claimed that Vanessa had been pushed over, and that she herself had been knocked to the ground three times, and that they had video of all that.
Her footage has never surfaced or been corroborated by bystanders, but there IS footage of her trying to beat people with her friend’s cane. And of the March organizers trying to stop her from beating people with the cane.
Evidently, she then hit and choked a trans women from the march. The police arrived, and even though Dyke March staff had told the TERFs to leave, and bystanders tried to show the police footage of the TERFs attacking people, the police basically gave the TERFs an escort for the rest of the march.
They, of course, have now been very vocal about claiming to have been violently attacked, and having done nothing. They’re even claiming to have been doxxed, when what actually happened was that one of the TERFs “doxxed” them all by posting publicly about it, on Facebook, and tagging the rest of them. 🙄
(In the same public Facebook post, she apologizes to another TERF, Max, for “initially swinging at you when you came to my defense,” which doesn’t do much for her attempts to claim that they were the ones being attacked.)
This mirrors a TERF attack from last year, where one physically attacked a trans woman in a bar, and then made a huge public stink claiming that the trans woman had attacked HER – despite video evidence to the contrary.
This is their new big thing: constantly trying to convince people that calling them TERFs, or opposing them in general, “promotes violence against women.” By repeatedly attacking trans women, rallying people against anti-TERF displays, and trying to take over community events, et cetera.
“traps aren’t trans women, they’re effeminate gay dudes who crossdress to deceive and fuck straight guys”
ok but you’ve, just decided to counter an accusation of transphobia with “checkmate, i’m a huge transphobe AND homophobe. weren’t expecting that one hey?”. like you really thought your knowledge of fetish anime would make you look Less Gross
continually surprised how chasers think they’re getting away with: “my fetish isn’t trans women, my fetish is just identical in every way to trans women except closeted, or traumatised to staying in the closet and who doesn’t have the language or confidence to ask to be respected. also a cartoon usually.”
Also, for those who say “b-but how do I describe my anime waifu now????” – Japanese doesn’t even use the term ‘trap.’ It’s a transmisogynist term that started on 4chan that’s coercively applied to any person assigned male at birth that crossdresses (jousou, which is a neutral term in Japanese) presents femininely (onee), or is otherwise feminine of center (trans women, transfems, x -gender, as well as various GNC men, cis drag queens etc.), both in Western fandom and irl. It’s a slur, just like sh*male.
More about there term here, from Andrea Ritsu, a Japanese trans woman.
shes had 30 years of testosterone and larger hands and feet- you cannot seriously tell me that this is ok
let me help you out: you are making one of two arguments.
1 – there should be maximal standards for how large the hands and feet of an mma fighter should or can be. you are suggesting a weight class based on hand and foot size. as well, there should be minimal standards for how long a woman has very low testosterone (as trans women tend to have lower t levels than cis women) that is different than that required by the bodies that govern mma currently. those are arguments you are gonna need to actually make and back up.
2 – trans women should not be allowed to compete in sports with other women.
seems to me that if you intend to argue the second point on the basis of the first, you still need to make that argument, which you have not.
I’m tired of cis folks trying to argue this.
I’m trans. I’m 5 feet, seven and a half inches tall. My shoe size is 8.5 in women’s. I transitioned in my late twenties.
Fallon Fox and other trans women are not some freaks of athletic engineering.
In these weigh-in photos Fallon is on the left. Both of her opponents are visibly larger and more muscular than her.
I mean, fights are already divided by weight categories, male fighters aren’t divided by hand and foot size, and trans women, like anyone else, *gasp* have a wide range of body types.
Yall dumb af if u think its ok for THIS MAN to fight females and its fair.
You’re dumb af if you think trans women are men, or that a woman can’t kick a man’s ass.
TERFs are not unfairly labeled. They are labeled thusly because they actively refuse to recognize the rights and identity of trans women. Personal preferences or attractions do not in any way have to detract from another individual’s gender identity. You say “same sex attraction” and “not being inclusive enough to the other sex” and these alone illustrate that you view trans women as not being women. Which means that you have categorized people based on your own desires, and not along the lines of what is productive or beneficial to the world or others.
The population of women on earth contains tremendous variety. Let us say for the sake of argument, that you are only attracted to brunettes who are tall and thin, or blondes who are curvaceous. You prefer that “type” among the population, but you don’t then say only those who match your preference are women. You don’t point to every woman in the world but the ones you like and dehumanize them, call them infiltrators, mock them, or accuse them of being men “muscling in” on a female space. Women who don’t match your ideal are still women, and perhaps you don’t prefer that type or that sort or that look, but you have no right to question their femininity, just as no one else has the right to question yours.
The way you have addressed the topic of the TERF label–outlining it as if it is an unfair slight against you, when in fact you appear to have earned the moniker, remind me of how racists sound. “Oh poor us, I’m so upset! I don’t think the races should mix, and I have a right to say that, but when I do I’m unfairly labeled as a racist! I don’t hate black people! I just don’t think they should be spending time with my kids. And it’s so unfair that black people can talk about black pride, when I can’t say white pride without being labeled a racist.” Well, now…see here…that is precisely what makes a racist–the predisposition to see others as being lesser or different simply along the lines of skin color. Lesbians aren’t being victimized by trans women. Lesbians aren’t being secretly undermined by trans pride movements. Your dislike of or division from trans women is drawn very simply along the lines of “They’re actually men and isn’t that disgusting?” and has absolutely nothing to do with them. Your perception and your selfishness are preventing you from being at peace with others and allowing them to be at peace with themselves.
You have the ability to make someone else feel accepted and loved, and all it requires is
that you try and see things a bit differently and expand your
definitions. Instead, you’d rather be small and keep the world strictly
categorized in all these tiny narcissistic packages, when in fact, there
is vast complexity to all of it, and you have no business playing the
gatekeepers of femininity. Those constructs don’t have gatekeepers. You
don’t have the right to play one because you happen to be a “woman” who
also likes “women” and so of course, is the only authority on what
constitutes “womanhood”.
When you exclude someone, you are excluding them. Plain and simple. You are keeping them out. That’s you. Doing that. When you don’t have to. You can simply stop. It’s not as if you’re the only one who sees a universal truth. It’s actually simply a case of you refusing to change your own mind. Life is too short and too complicated to be the playground of your ego. You are not entitled to define everyone else for them or tell them which spaces are theirs. And frankly, you’ll be dead some day quite soon and are spending far too much energy on such mindless discrimination.
So, I’m afraid you’ll get no sympathy from me, no matter how you try to phrase your pathos. I routinely switch genders at will. I dress according to my desires or my personal feelings at any given time, and more than once I’ve encountered TERFs who believe me to “actually be a man” “pretending to be a woman” or gay men who think I am a trans man. I have no sympathy for rudeness, for exclusion, for a breech of simple decorum. I have been called every name in the book, and all because of the inaccurate perceptions of others. I find such behaviors disgusting and truly on e of the vilest attributes of humanity.
If you cannot accept trans women as being women, albeit women to whom you aren’t attracted, then I have very little respect for you as a person. In fact, I’m fairly certain I’ve learned all I need to know about you. So unless you’re willing to rethink that position, you can see your way off my blog.
We accept people in my little corner. In fact, acceptance is the entire purpose of this blog.
I might also mention that expanding your notion of “woman” does not in any way detract from your own femininity. Including trans women doesn’t make you less female, in the same way that including gay marriage in the definition of marriage in no way detracts from the sanctity of the act. These are merely excuses to denounce others.
Maria Maclachlan, 61, was giving evidence against Tara Wolf, 26, whom she claims tried to attack her at a rally, knocking her to the floor…
District Judge Kenneth Grant warned Ms MacLachlan to refer to Miss Wolf as “she” while giving evidence.
He said: “The defendant wished to be referred to as a woman, so perhaps you could refer to her as ‘she’ for the purpose of the proceedings.”
Ms MacLachlan replied: “I’m used to thinking of this person who is a male as male.”
She told Hendon Magistrates’ Court: “A hooded figure suddenly ran at me, ran past me from left to right, knocking the camera from my hand.
“They swatted it. Although it was knocked out of my hand it was caught by the strap so it didn’t hit the ground, which I thought was the intention.”
she even used gender neutral pronouns, but that’s not good enough!! pander pander pander.
Support Tara Wolf. Every fucking major news publication is framing this story as the “evil and violent, transgendererer, punches innocent small indefensible feminist.”
Tara Wolf smacked a camera out of the radfems hand because the radfem was trying to take photos of trans people to put them on a site called “gender identity watch” which the far right uses to target the most vulnerable population in the TLGBQ community.
And TERFS really wanna say shit like “we’re very reasonable and listen, it’s men who are only and exclusively violent.”
here’s a scary post that’s probably going to get me in a lot of trouble.
please understand that i am speaking from experience as best i can and contextualizing those experiences with what i know. please understand that i am not trying to step on anyone’s toes. that doesn’t mean i won’t, but if i do, i am open to discussion and to clarifying anything that i have said poorly.
that said, i want to talk about collateral transmisogyny.
trans women are the targets of transmisogyny, obviously. they’re the reason we need to fix this. most of all GNC/butch/otherwise non conforming trans women, who get shit from every side.
but it leaks. an ideology so simplistic and indiscriminate cannot possibly only hurt its prime target.
we’ve all seen that post about the cis woman getting kicked out of a women’s bathroom. we all understand this.
i have been braced for misplaced but direct transmisogyny since i gave up being a binary trans man and began retransitioning in idk 2014 or whenever it was. my gender now is irrelevant but my presentation fluctuates between butch and femme chick. however, i have a deep voice, facial and body hair, etc.
i haven’t dealt with nearly as much of it as i expected to. i can think of many reasons for that, top of the list I’m Not Actually A Trans Woman, but people on the street don’t automatically know that. i can think of things that might make people think one thing or another but what does anyone gain from this sort of speculation.
anyway, this post was prompted by the fact that my selfies were recently reblogged to a “TV” chaser blog. i don’t have anything particularly insightful to say about any of this. i just realized i was afraid to say it because i am scared to upset anyone which tends to mean someone else probably feels the same, so i have to say it.
i guess i do have something to say. having some similar experiences as a group of people you do not belong to is not appropriation. neither is talking about it, as long as you couch it in language like this that makes it clear that my experiences of collateral transmisogyny are not the same as experiencing it directly because of who you actually are.
to be very clear: i do not claim to share any of the actual experiences of trans women, just that i occasionally take some shit because of shitty attitudes about y’all.
i didn’t want to make this post because i don’t want to hurt, upset, or offend any of the trans women i love dearly or any trans women at all. but i think it still needs to be said. and i hope i’ve done this in a way that isn’t harmful to anyone. if i messed it up, i’ll correct as best i can.
Tbh I think a big issue is how we look at the problem? Like it has been more accepted in feminist spaces to be inclusive to transwomen…. but the current narrative still frames any “alignment” to masculinity as evil.
Like something that really bothers me is how “radfem” got replaced specifically with “terf” (or twerf even) and changed the narrative of bad feminism being specifically about transness and genitals and not that it is shitty to make people jump through hoops to prove themselves.
Like the problem is not genitals. It is one of the aspects of it but not the only one. The actual root issue is the enforcement of a narrow definition of what gender labels mean that excludes people from their chosen label for not fitting properly in the mold.
And this is really not helpful for transwomen because like, if my gnc ciswoman friends are basically experiencing imposter syndrome and I as a nb person am a mess, do people REALLY THINK that every single OTHER way a transwoman might “fail” at womanhood being held up as making someone not a real woman is helping???!?
You didn’t get rid of terfs at all. They just switched from “if you have a dick you aren’t a girl” to “if you don’t preform gender correctly you aren’t a girl”. Like fuck man I legit do not know if I am nb or a girl and probably never will because I have spent my whole life being told I was failing catastrophically at being female. I sit here and watch transwomen abused by ciswomen with identical language and behavior as I used to get trying to be a girl seeing people say it’s transmisogyny. But for some people it’s more failing to conform to gender then transness itself and if people don’t recognize that it goes beyond that they aren’t actually making the spaces safe. Like if you kick out ciswomen for being gender non conforming even if you make specific exceptions for transwomen because they have it harder that just sends the message that if they rock the boat they will lose their Girl Card and be ejected from their own supposed safe spaces built for them. It’s like the whole “you can ship but only to cope!” Turning into harassing people about their health statuses and eventually “we changed our minds we hate you too”. That isn’t real support it’s a damn threat to throw people to the wolves.
Where I’m living now, I was initially pretty surprised when I started running into spillover trasmisogynistic BS. That hadn’t been an issue before.
The difference, AFAICT? A particularly ugly combo of rigid expectations, shitty hypervisibility for trans women, and frankly more than a little xenoracism.
In this particular case, bigots aren’t sure what to think when they encounter some weird foreign AFAB person who is taller with bigger shoulders than a lot of local cis men, and very “wrong” body language because foreign. (Yes, I am also queer and NB, but never even came across as particularly GNC under some rather different cultural standards back home. I never felt like I was expected to actively try to pass as my assigned gender before in anything like the same way.)
So, they jump to the best match explanation they can think of for what type of Social Abomination™ they’re looking at. Which is pretty far off the mark, but they’re totally sincere in the hatefulness.
Like with other spillover transmisogyny? It mostly appals me just how much regular daily scrutiny actual trans women must live under while they’re just trying to go about their business, with so much hostility ready to erupt–and just how entitled these jerks feel to hassle anyone who sets off Possibly Transfeminine alarm bells.
Basically, this shit is too good an indication of just what a huge problem transmisogyny is. That’s what makes me really angry about any of it.
Occasionally getting aggressively sirred, that flavor of street harassment, or the stinkeye from old ladies when I’m trying to pee (where trans people do have actual legal protections, I might add)? Obviously not at all the same as living with that garbage constantly, and under more correct assumptions about what kind of person you are.
But, it’s still frustrating to deal with, and speaks to some way bigger problems. That’s why I will even bring it up, definitely not to suggest that it’s exactly the same experience, much less some type of competition. More than enough shittiness to go around, unfortunately, and it’s all part of the same disgusting social package 😑
It’s too bad trans girls are in so much danger from police and social violence because otherwise they’d be the perfect group to push the envelope on “Free the Nipple”.
Unless they get their gender markers changed they’re legally allowed to be topless in public.
Except we’re not even apparently legally allowed to do that:
“Andrea Jones was arrested for indecent exposure after taking her shirt off after the Morristown Driver’s License Office refused to change her sex from male to female on her driver’s license.”
Numerous trans women over the years, with or without their legal markers changed, have been arrested for public indency for toplessness, in states where men can be topless, before being charged and jailed with men.
The state has absolutely no problem using unfair double standards to punish trans women just for existing.
If you’ve ever wanted a perfect example of why the term “transmisogyny” exists, here you go. Trans women are only called male when people want to insult us or put up a convenient roadblock. All the other times we’re regarded as a lesser class of woman.
Thiisss. Transmisogyny is being treated like a woman but being called a man and being told you shouldn’t complain about how you’re treated because you’re supposedly treated like a man lmao.
PSA: terfs are not and nor will they ever be tolerated here
(All caps removed for accessibility)
[First image is of a tweet by Stonewall (@stonewalluk) that reads, “There is no place for violence in our movement, as a form of attack or retaliation” It’s been retweeted by moth dad (@innesmck) on 9/17/17 with the comment, “Your organisation is named after a fucking riot,” in all caps.
The next images are more tweets by moth dad continuing on that thread, “friends, this is fucking exhausting”
“It’s important you know why LGBTQ+ charity Stonewall made a statement condemning violence today, and why that is so innapropiate [thread]”
“So, last week in London, several well-known TERFs and transphobes organized a public ‘debate’ on trans gender recognition”
“The fact trans people are continuously subject to debates undermining our existence is ridiculous, exhausting and dehumanizing”
“And in this case the speakers really just wanted a platform to misgender, vilify and promote violence against trans people, especially women”
“So, various people attempted to prevent the even ahead of time, but when it went ahead anyway, some went to protest in person”
“The end result? A trans protestor being held by a TERF in a headlock. There’s video footage. There are police statements. This happened.”
“After and as a result of this, one of the speakers is hit by a trans protestor.”
“And this is what we’re now arguing about, now condemning: trans people defending themselves from violence.”
“I hate violence. I hate aggression. I think anyone who knows me would consider me a quiet, peaceful person. I do not revel in conflict.”
“But look at the ways in which violence is constantly inflicted on trans people, centering on the most marginalized of us.”
“Look at the statistics for assault and murder, especially of trans women and femme people of colour.”
“Look at the suicide rate for trans people, from childhood, especially those without adequate support. Look at the lack of help.”
“Look at the systematic erasure from public life, the difficulties in finding employment, healthcare, mental health support.”
“Trans people are hurting and they are dying. This isn’t an abstract. My friends are dying.”
“So how can an organisation claiming to support us ignore all of that, and instead condemn trans people who choose to defend themselves?”
“How can they choose straight cis respectability over standing up for a community member now?”
“How can an organisation named after a riot believe we should just lie down and accept the violence enacted against us?”
“If you’re an ally, if you want to support trans people, have our backs when it gets messy and not just when we’re docile and polite.”]
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