@ajax-daughter-of-telamon – It’s periodically been dumping mine on mobile the whole time. I guess that’s newer behavior on desktop though? If so, the timing does sound kind of suspicious.
Genuine question, how do people with health issues like severe asthma (or asthma that seems mild until it’s in a city, and then becomes severe) and seizures and selective mutism and fear of crowds of strangers etc survive in big cities without the police on their asses? Like just walking down the street?
When I was having a lot of trouble with hypoglycemic episodes which also made me lose speech, I avoided going out much. Made sure to carry alert cards when I did have to, but mostly just stayed at home.
Especially after one episode where I fell over on a crowded bus and couldn’t talk coherently. Thankfully my partner was along that time, or who knows what might have happened. Blood sugar problems are at least a reasonably well-known reason for acting weird in public, but I was still worried about maybe ending up committed at best.
Something I have to think about more than I would like anyway, but that can make any kind of health problem scary.
(#wouldn’t have been afraid of getting locked up back home #that’s for sure)
I couldn’t find another earlier post having to do with being glad I do have some kind of more acceptable excuse alert cards now in case of meltdowns in public, but yeah.
That’s one reason I was extra horrified by that story from several years ago which came up again earlier. I knew that this was really not a good place to be perceived as crazy. That got demonstrated pretty quickly in some other ways.
But, if having one (1) panic attack while foreign and pregnant on a business trip will get you locked up (and a forced c-section so they can adopt your baby out to a British couple)? Not much good would be likely to come from having public meltdowns while foreign and already coming across as weird enough to get harassed a lot. Pregnant or no.
Honestly, I would feel fine with pulling out the hypoglycemia card if it came down to it. Even if blood sugar swings were not an immediate contributing factor, which they sometimes are anyway. Because that is a more socially acceptable reason for Acting Weird In Public, and I reckon that being diabetic in public is way less likely to get you locked up than admitting you’re autistic.
It may not be totally honest, but that’s a lower priority than not getting locked up. Really hoping that situation never comes up, regardless.
(Also one reason I am just not safe going to the doctor by myself, tbh. Where I am going to be super stressed and on the verge of meltdowns/shutdowns, because trauma. Some of it related to very badly handled meltdowns when I was younger. And somehow I doubt the hypoglycemia explanation would fly with professionals who already also overwhelmingly think I’m weird as hell in a bad way 😩)
I don’t know which, if any, posts have gotten flagged here. This blog is definitely not marked as Unclean.
But, I couldn’t help but notice that the search is even more messed up than usual. Including posts not showing up through a Google search, when they should from past experience.
Essex social services obtained a High Court order against the woman that allowed her to be forcibly sedated and her child to be taken from her womb. The council said it was acting in the best interests of the woman, an Italian who was in Britain on a work trip, because she had suffered a mental breakdown.
If you are not absolutely terrified and outraged by this you are wrong. The precedent this sets put every person on earth in danger.
oh my god read the article this is FUCKING HORRIFIC. she got back on her bipolar disorder medication and is in recovery but they won’t give her her child back “because of the risk she might relapse”. What you’re fucking saying with that is that mentally ill people shouldn’t even be allowed children even if they’re safe and well *just in case*, that we’re a permanent threat to ourselves and others even when we’re in treatment and recovery and living a stable life. I am FUCKING LIVID
Over a fucking panic attack. I’m fucking serious, all of this over a single panic attack. They took her baby in the most horrific way possible because she had a fucking panic attack.
From the Article:
She suffered a panic attack, which her relations believe was due to her failure to take regular medication for an existing bipolar condition.
It’s worth noting, that it’s very common for people on psychiatric medication to go off of their meds if they become pregnant, because of risk of side effects.
I bolded the above. I wanted there to be no one to think that she was being irresponsible for not haven taken her meds regularly. She did it for good reason, for the health of her own baby. And she got punished for it.
i fucking cant
So she did what was best for her kid, has ONE SINGLE PANIC ATTACK WHICH IS A THING THAT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE WHETHER THEY HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS OR NOT and decide that they can literally violate her body in a horrific manner and take her kid away. But she’s the dangerous one.
Terribly sad. I hope this gets worked out in her benefit.
I can’t even imagine how terrifyingly awful that situation had to have been. Forcing a woman, against her will, to undergo sedation and then waking up in pain, without the fetus you’ve been carrying for 9 months? That’s beyond the pale. How much do the rights of an unborn fetus circumvent the rights of a full-grown adult? How much do we have to other the mentally ill, treating them (us) as less than human? She was literally treated like a breeding animal, with no cause of concern for her safety, mental health or well-being. Fuck. Fuck.
The British government won’t even hand the baby over to the Italian government. They’re keeping it in a British foster home. THIS WOMAN’S BABY MIGHT NOT EVEN GROW UP SPEAKING HER LANGUAGE IF SHE DOESN’T GET IT BACK.
The entire fucking world should be enraged over this case. What gives them the right???
Woman loses her child because of a panic attack, men have full custody despite beating their wives and kids
Essex social services obtained a High Court order against the woman that allowed her to be forcibly sedated and her child to be taken from her womb. The council said it was acting in the best interests of the woman, an Italian who was in Britain on a work trip, because she had suffered a mental breakdown.
If you are not absolutely terrified and outraged by this you are wrong. The precedent this sets put every person on earth in danger.
oh my god read the article this is FUCKING HORRIFIC. she got back on her bipolar disorder medication and is in recovery but they won’t give her her child back “because of the risk she might relapse”. What you’re fucking saying with that is that mentally ill people shouldn’t even be allowed children even if they’re safe and well *just in case*, that we’re a permanent threat to ourselves and others even when we’re in treatment and recovery and living a stable life. I am FUCKING LIVID
Over a fucking panic attack. I’m fucking serious, all of this over a single panic attack. They took her baby in the most horrific way possible because she had a fucking panic attack.
From the Article:
She suffered a panic attack, which her relations believe was due to her failure to take regular medication for an existing bipolar condition.
It’s worth noting, that it’s very common for people on psychiatric medication to go off of their meds if they become pregnant, because of risk of side effects.
I bolded the above. I wanted there to be no one to think that she was being irresponsible for not haven taken her meds regularly. She did it for good reason, for the health of her own baby. And she got punished for it.
i fucking cant
So she did what was best for her kid, has ONE SINGLE PANIC ATTACK WHICH IS A THING THAT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE WHETHER THEY HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS OR NOT and decide that they can literally violate her body in a horrific manner and take her kid away. But she’s the dangerous one.
Terribly sad. I hope this gets worked out in her benefit.
I can’t even imagine how terrifyingly awful that situation had to have been. Forcing a woman, against her will, to undergo sedation and then waking up in pain, without the fetus you’ve been carrying for 9 months? That’s beyond the pale. How much do the rights of an unborn fetus circumvent the rights of a full-grown adult? How much do we have to other the mentally ill, treating them (us) as less than human? She was literally treated like a breeding animal, with no cause of concern for her safety, mental health or well-being. Fuck. Fuck.
The British government won’t even hand the baby over to the Italian government. They’re keeping it in a British foster home. THIS WOMAN’S BABY MIGHT NOT EVEN GROW UP SPEAKING HER LANGUAGE IF SHE DOESN’T GET IT BACK.
The entire fucking world should be enraged over this case. What gives them the right???
Woman loses her child because of a panic attack, men have full custody despite beating their wives and kids
This is the logical conclusion of a lack of bodily autonomy for women before and during pregnancy. This is where it leads.
i’d like to highlight the fact that she was away from her home country on a business trip (she’s italian but it was britain’s social services who did this), and she was not told they were going to do that. so basically anyone, anywhere can do this to women.
WHAT THE SHIT
Jesus Christ even the 1st sentence in the article is awful: “Exclusive: Essex social services have obtained a court order against a woman that allowed her to be forcibly sedated and for her child to be taken from her womb by caesarean section.” Like how much more passive could that wording sound? “Allowed her to be forcibly sedated”? How about “they forcibly sedated her, performed non-consented surgery, and stole her child”?!?!?! Jesus fuck.
One thing that particularly gets me here:
‘The case has developed into an international legal row, with lawyers for the woman describing it as “unprecedented”.
They claim that even if the council had been acting in the woman’s best interests, officials should have consulted her family beforehand and also involved Italian social services, who would be better-placed to look after the child.’
When there is actually case law directly related to this from the ‘90s, because similar shit has indeed been pulled before, including forced obstetric treatment of women who have been sectioned. (The Mental Health Act here scares the shit out of me, BTW.) http://www.homebirth.org.uk/law1.htm
“The judges in the case of S ruled that ex parte High Court declarations (where only one side is heard by the judge) do not protect doctors and hospitals from later being sued for trespass, and that patients must be represented at court hearings. This means that it is highly unlikely that anybody, mentally competent or not, will have surprise court orders for medical treatment sprung upon them in future. The Court of Appeal also reaffirmed the absolute right of a competent adult to refuse medical intervention, even if the result would mean that she or her baby died.”
Note that her own lawyers are talking in terms of fewer legal rights than this. Which I also find disturbing. It certainly does not sound like she had any knowledge of or representation at any hearing over forced surgery.
The only element here that may be unprecedented is their holding a foreign national captive, and then keeping her child. Though I actually wouldn’t be surprised if that has happened before. 😐
Reblogging this older post again, because jfc.
The only difference I can see here is in Social Services’ framing of the case as taking custody of a fetus, with the forced c-section as sort of a peripheral issue. NOPE.
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