isaacsapphire:
fierceawakening:
tchtchtchtchtch:
fierceawakening:
But make sure you define “backtalk” reasonably. Don’t discipline it out of someone to be loud about what they prefer or dislike, even if they are raucous and you are quiet.
I’ve never understood this “talking back” thing. (I speak Russian with my parents so this isn’t a phrase I’ve seen used in real life, I’ve only seen it in books and gotten confused… like, you’re not supposed to respond to your parents when you disagree with them?? what??)
Can someone explain this please?
As I understand it, it means responding to someone’s reasonable demand by saying something bratty or surly.
So, like
“If you want to live in this house, you have to keep your living space clean. We’re starting to have vermin problems.”
“Fuck you and your stupid rules, man!”
But authoritarian types use it to mean any defiance of an order, which I think is bad.
As someone who got in a lot of trouble for talking back as a kid, it includes things like “asking questions judged to be unnecessary”, “making rude comments or complaining”, “verbally refusing a direct or indirect order”, or even “politely correct an adult about factual matters.”
I actually thought this was some kind of conservative parenting meme at first because of the use of the word backtalk.
I’m not sure what I think would be a good, healthy parenting approach to “backtalk” because I’ve seen permissively raised children being outright verbally abusive to their parents or telling them off in ways that would count as incitement if between adults. It’s also just not the way that you want your kids to behave in general, or be in the habit of behaving in their closest relationships.
There’s definitely such a thing as being too permissive, but I have mostly seen parents punishing children for not following orders with an appearance of a “good attitude” and performance of happiness, not just demanding compliance in action, but in emotion.
“I’m not sure what I think would be a good, healthy parenting approach to “backtalk” because I’ve seen permissively raised children being outright verbally abusive to their parents or telling them off in ways that would count as incitement if between adults.”
Yes, this. This is why I’m uncomfortable with the idea that backtalk is never a thing.
Some people actually do behave badly toward authority figures, either to test them or to express “I don’t respect you.” Think of like, the stories where a young, perky, well meaning Nice White Lady goes to a poverty-stricken school and the kids humiliate her as a way of showing “we don’t trust you.”
I do think intentionally bad behavior is a thing and is a thing that some people do. (G1 Starscream, anyone?) But I think it usually happens for a reason that’s more complicated than just someone being mean.
Usually it has to do with the kid not being listened to or not being respected. “If you don’t respect me, I won’t respect you.”
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